28 Aug
2006
28 Aug
'06
10:37 a.m.
Am 28 Aug 2006 12:50 meinte Evan Koblentz:
>>> We
could exclude certain CPUs, but that doesn't address the issue that
anything
that runs on an older CPU will probably run on a newer CPU of the
same family, so one might as well include the newer ones. I don't know what
the answer is. <<<< I do. The answer is to define what's on-topic
using carefully chosen words,
not dumbed-down years. LOL, I'm not saying I know what those words might
be. But in general I think there should be healthy debate and discussion
(not necessarily here and now) rather than the usual "you're an idiot" vs.
"no you are" that spawns here every six months.
*G*
Remember, the world isn't static ... and we should feel lucky about it.
While it moves on, stuff gets old, and just because we also do so, we
still think of it as new. Haveing had a five week exhibition with some
old computers during the last two month, I once more got confrontet with
people which I would considere adault, that think of an Atari ST as ancient
as it could be ... I mean, that's an ST, that machine is actual to my
understanding - just because the compny crumbled it's gone ... or?
People coming up who belived that the first IBM was realy the first
machine to bear th PC name - and beliveing that it had an 286 and was
running Windows. Asking me about the 'huge' old disks and showing
complete surprise when I pulled an 8". Even having a hard time to
understand the idea of 3" disks :))
Realy, we are as much Dinosaurs as our Machiines are. The 10 year rule
is a good way to keep us from dieing out.
m 28 Aug 2006 13:14 meinte Evan Koblentz:
>>> To
me, whenever a certain Machine/Idea is either no longer of _average_
daily use (for
whatever reason) or old enough that it will be viewe as 'good
old thingy' it becomes an acceptable topic for the list. Agreed. So if those 486s are still good for *nix
firewalls, then they're
not vintage.
Hmm, but so are all 386es used in tons of _new_ constructed machinery,
and especialy all the Z80 and 6502 variations used in millions of game
consoles. Well, I couln't point on a 8080, but the 8085 is also clearly
off topic, since there has been a new controler based on it last year :)
Am 28 Aug 2006 13:18 meinte Evan Koblentz:
So I wasn't saying
that I mind the off-topicness, I was just replying to Choctaw Bob's original
comment that "I think that this just squeaks in as being on topic."
To conclude this (on my side), for me freedom is more important than any
pure dogma, rules are to avoide problems, not to curb freedom, and no
rule should be made just out of momentary feelings.
And properly used (and as hard as it comes for me to advocate this),
Pentiums are by now quite fine on this list.
Gruss
H.
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