15 Dec
2002
15 Dec
'02
3:23 a.m.
On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote:
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Seems like you had the better manual at hand. I'll check it out tomorrow,
when I'll pass by where I have that manual.
RL01/RL02 Disk Subsystem User's Guide.
We must have been talking past each other here. I didn't mean that the
controller/drive made a check on the disk that it was on the right
track. The drive *knows* it's on the right track, without checking. Like
you said, the RK05 can seek on a blank disk, and format it.
No, on an RK11 (well, admittedly I've mostly played with the RK8E) you
really don't ever check the header yourself. In fact, you can actually
start the disk transfer even if you're not on the right track. The drive
will do an implicit seek as a part of the transfer for you. Also, track
switching can occur in the middle of the transfer, without you seeing or
caring about it. Not on the RL. You cannot even switch heads in the middle
of a transfer.
True. But noone said we were going to build our own controller until
now. :-)
Unless you have a drive without servo information, such as the RK05.
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On Thu, 12 Dec
2002 ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote:
Yup. I quote:
"1.3.3.2 Sector Format - As shown in Figure 1-3, each sector contains:
OK, let me quote the RL01/RL02 Disk Drive Technical Manual. Huh? No.
Actually, the data track itself is used as the servo signal. The
head centers in on the track by centering on where the amplitude is
strongest.
Do you have any evidence for that? * Servo
information for head positioning
Sure, I'll agree the servo bursts are in the sector header. They are just
not radially aligned with the data track. I guess you're working from a
manual that oversimplifies things. Eh. This is on
most controller not something you check or take care about
in software, but hardware. When you specify to the controller (for
instance en RK11) that you want track 10, it both figures out how many
tracks the heads need to move, and in which direction. It then checks that
you really are at the right track, otherwise you get an error back.
I am _darn_ sure the seek function on an RK11 doesn't check sector
headers (I would have to actually dig out the prints to be sure). I know
I've used it to move heads around on the alignment pack, which doesn't
have convnetionally recorded headers. Quite apart from the fact that an
RK05/RK11 can seek on a blank disk so as to be able to format it (a blank
RK05 pack really is blank). The RL11 have
no such sophistication. You request a head move, and the
drive hopefully does it, and then you can carry on with the next
That's what most controllers do. The difference is that on the RK11, you
specify the cylinder you want to move to, and the drive (hopefully) goes
there. You then have to check headers. On the RL11, you have to work out
how many cylinders to move and in which direction (That bit of the
calculation is done automatically by the RK system). information is
constantly checked by the controller, it should be
Eh, if you're making your own controller, you don't need to check the
headers... Basically, if
you don't have the servo information correct on the platter,
the drive will signal errors to the controller, and the controller which
just miserably fail unless header infomration keep coming in when the
drive is running.
Ifyou don't have the correct servo information, the drive won't keep the
heads loaded (well, it certainly won't keep them on-track). At this
point, no controller could do anything useful with the drive.