On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com>
wrote:
On 04/11/2013 05:33 PM, David Riley wrote:
On Apr 11, 2013, at 17:10, Jules Richardson
<jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> wrote:
I found a Mac Performa 6400/200VEE at the dump
today, but no keyboard
/ rodent / display.
Is that the smooth-cornered minitower? Those things were nightmarish to
take apart, but otherwise ok.
Yes, that's the one - and it is indeed a complete nightmare to take apart.
Perhaps it was better when new and the plastics have gone more rigid with age.
Nope. It was just a terrible design for the case. It was awful
when it was brand new, too; I have some scars from them. The
Alchemy motherboard itself wasn't total garbage, but I think the
6400/6500 cases were some of the worst that Apple ever designed,
maybe after the PowerPC-era all-in-ones (the 5x00, G3 AIO, eMac,
later iMac G3s).
> I'll
try some vinegar and see how it goes
Well, it cleaned up well enough, at least visually - but there are no signs of life when
the power switch is hit (no PSU fan activity, nothing). I'll see if I can work out the
PSU wiring, as I'm not sure if it needs the system board present to function, and
it'd be nice to verify that the PSU is working before going any further.
Good luck; battery corrosion can be a big deal. I was lucky
with my Quadra 700; the battery was located at the top of the
motherboard and had dripped all the way down and eaten a leg and
a pad off a surface-mount hex inverter. I'm lucky in that the
affected leg was the power pin, which meant I could easily
white-wire the Vcc from an adjacent chip; if it had been an
actual signal pin, I might never have found where it went.
The PSU is probably pretty similar to an ATX supply in that the
motherboard pulls a pin high or low to soft-switch the supply
on and off. I'm having trouble finding a pinout for the 6400's
PSU, but try finding the +5V standby with a meter first. If
that's not present when the thing is plugged in (no fans should
be running), it might be toast. If you're able to find the
power-on wire (often gray, but who knows), it's active-high
(pull to +5V standby, not ground like ATX supplies). Try
pulling it through a resistor first; you don't want to short
anything out too hard if you have the wrong pin. 1K ought to
do it, though you might need something like 100 ohms to pull
the pin strongly enough. I don't know for sure.
This is a page which details the connections from the Alchemy
motherboard in the 5x00s, which I think was the same as the
6x00s in a different case. You could use that to figure out
which PSU wire is which. The original is dead, so please
pardon the long Internet Archive link.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040609201611/http://www.icedevil.nildram.co.uk…
The battery is rated at 4.5V, by the way, not the 3.6V
common to a lot of machines. I assume it's non-rechargeable; can anyone confirm that?
(If it's not then I can easily supply power from 3 AA's just for testing purposes)
I've definitely seen people use 3xAA holders as replacements for
them. Most RTC/CMOS batteries (which is basically what the PRAM
battery is) are non-rechargeable because you get about an order
of magnitude more energy out of the non-rechargeable chemistry.
I wouldn't expect this one to be rechargeable either, but I'm
not 100% certain.
1) Is it possible to wire the 15-pin monitor connector
up to a PC's
VGA monitor? Or,
Yes. Adaptors aren't hard to come by, and that generation of Mac should
support DDC codes from modern VGA monitors.
Are they just a straight-through wiring job (in which case does anyone know the DA15
pinout?) or are they SoG as someone mentioned? I don't think I've got anything
here that'll accept SoG, so that makes things a little more complex (and there'd
perhaps be no gain in building an adapter vs. buying one)
Most Macs actually weren't SoG, to my knowledge. Some of the
68K ones were, and you could certainly get video cards that
were (you needed them for a lot of third-party monitors that
used 3xBNC or 1xBNC (for monochrome)). It's generally a
straight-through adaptor that maps right on to VGA with no
trouble. The pinout is pretty easy to find online. The last
entry on this page (straight from Apple) details the adaptor
pinout that came with the Apple Studio Display CRTs (Apple's
last CRT monitors, which moved to the VGA DE15 plug but came
with an adaptor for older machines). That's what you'll want
to make if you're making one.
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA44937?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
The absolute
best adaptor to
use, if you can find it, is the Griffin MacPnP adaptor, which has a bank
of DIP switches to set the monitor sense codes (necessary for older,
more finicky Macs) and/or pass the DDC lines through. I have a number of
Mac/VGA adaptors, some of which just pass the sense lines through
verbatim and some of which have the sense code hard wired to what the
manufacturer thought was right (for example, a 1024x768 VGA monitor came
with an adaptor that was hard-wired to declare that it only supported
640x480 and 832x624).
Hmm, I'd assume that in the absence of any DDC info it'll default to some crappy
resolution rather than outputting nothing, surely?
Most machines will. Probably all PowerMacs will; they'll
most likely default to 640x480, which actually wasn't all
that crappy until about Mac OS 8 (and that was more the
fault of application designers than anything else). It's
obviously WAY too small for the modern web, but most
browsers you run on that machine probably won't handle
the modern web that well anyway (with the exception of
Classilla, which uses the mobile layout, so screen size
might be OK there).
Some machines can be a pain about it; I know my Quadra 700
won't even initialize the display if it doesn't see some
sense codes (the Apple ones, since it doesn't do DDC), but
that's somewhat unusual. It's also a much older machine.
If you need a
mouse, I have a few spares of which I could send one.
Thanks - I'll keep that in mind. Funny how even quite-common stuff such as this seems
to have all but disappeared!
It's actually pretty easy to find on eBay or Craigslist,
but it's not as common as, say, PC mice and keyboards. Nor
as cheap. I'm kicking myself for throwing out three Apple
Design Keyboards about ten years ago; they weren't great
keyboards, but I find myself short on any ADB keyboards
these days and don't have the motivation to get them on
eBay.
If you're looking for a good one, find an Apple Extended
Keyboard (or Apple Extended Keyboard 2). They're good
keyboards with real keyswitches and nice tactile feedback
(and not as loud as a Model M), and durable as hell. I'm
actually using one on my 2011 iMac through a USB/ADB
adaptor because it's so far above anything Apple sold
since. Some of the keys are... reluctant by now, but the
keyswitches are actually easy enough to open back up and
"revitalize" by bending the leaf springs out a bit.
- Dave