On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 02:55:38PM -0500, David Riley wrote:
I might be persuaded to buy a few for characterization
purposes (I'll
let you know off-list if that's the case), but I'm curious to know if
you're working on a RoHS/modern replacement.
Not as a pin-compatible part for repair of existing boards, no. If that's
what you're going for, that's a great idea! An 8646A clone circuit on a tiny
daughterboard might be cool too (for the KS10/VAX crowd).
But I've got first-cut PCBs stuffed (and awaiting firmware) for a couple of
projects which need to talk to DEC busses but don't need the DS8641N pinout:
- Unibus battery-backed RAM and clock/cal board, (for my own use -- I know it's
trivial but my main 11/34a's MS11Ls have gotten super flaky and I always
wanted a TOY clock). This is a dual-height board, 3" tall, which fits in A/B
of a MUD slot. Embarrassingly, it has a CPU, just to save square inches, but
now that it's there, doing a KDJ11E-compatible TOY clock becomes easy, and
doing config through an RS232 port is easy too so there are no jumpers.
- Unibus universal disk controller (will be a D Bit product if successful).
First prototype is a 6"x6" board with ribbon cables for a PCI/Unibus
adapter (without the M9014-like Unibus paddle card) and an M9302-like
terminator daughterboard with female Bergs on the back, so I can debug
the firmware using E11 w/o hauling a big noisy BA11K into my little office.
If I get this working, the next rev will be a quad SPC. SATA/USB/SD,
with an 18-bit data path (obviously!).
Anyway for these I'm seeing if I can get away with receiving the bus using
74LVC240s (etc.) and transmitting using a gazillion 2N7002PWs with 100 ohms
in series with the gate (hoping that plus the gate capacitance will get the
slew rate into a good neighborhood). Technically none of this is OK but I'm
hoping in practice it works. Once the firmware's taking shape, a scope will
tell all...
I'm currently prototyping
a board using comparators for the receivers and discrete FETs for the
drivers (no ICs I could find had compatible slew rate, capacitance and
drive strength with DEC's specs), but I'd be curious to know if you'd
found anything better.
Yours sounds better than mine, so, nope! Probably just as well to do it with
loose parts though -- you don't want to get dependent on *another* oddball
chip that'll be rare five years from now.
John Wilson
D Bit