"Julian Wolfe (FireflyST)" <fireflyst at earthlink.net> wrote:
Okay, what I immediately noticed is that these
machines say "MP" and Don's panel doesn't.
More differences: Don's panel have the location for the key moved to the
other side of the parity lamps. Which is rather weird.
Also, the screenprint of 11/74 looks shadowed, which is weird. And the
right hand side have a different color than the left hand side.
And of course, the 11/74s from Tim don't have any CIS stuff on the front
panel.
(I'm still thinking that Don's panel have never had a matching piece of
real hardware, since I don't think that CPU was ever built.)
Tim's picture however are of a real machine. Don't know which one,
though. If it's just a two CPU machine, it might have been POLLUX::,
since CASTOR:: was four CPUs. However, other machine have existed in the
past.
Were there non-multiprocessor 11/74s? If so, what
would have been the benefits over 11/70s?
Yes there were. And the benifits were none. Actually, they were slightly
worse than normal 11/70s, but the difference were minimal.
After DEC decided to not make the 11/74 into a commercial product, they
used 11/74 parts for 11/70 machines. Atleast inhouse. Not sure if any of
those parts found their way into customers machines.
Used as such, the differences were basically related to cache: The MMU
have the cache bypass bit. The ASRB instruction always bypass the cache,
and you can also order the machine to explicitly bypass the cache
(unless my memory fails me).
But nothing of this was used by any OS normally, so the only thing
noticeable would be the slower ASRB instruction.
Johnny
-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Shoppa <tshoppa at wmata.com>
>Sent: Feb 8, 2006 12:24 PM
>To: cctalk at
classiccmp.org
>Subject: Re: Original 11/74 front panel
>
>Don North wrote
>
>>So how many of these panels exist is hard to say. I know only of one.
>
>Two more can be seen at
>
>
http://www.trailing-edge.com/~shoppa/1174Xopen.jpg
>
>So that makes three :-).
>
>Tim.
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