Both the Apple and Commodore were hardly flops.
They did what they
were designed to do, and made a bunch of money for their respective
owners.
I remember seeing an ad for Apple 2e, with the thrust being that it
could be used as a CAD machine. Yeah right. Even as a kid I saw that
it just did not have the horsepower and graphics to be usable. In this
sense, the Apple 2 line flopped big time. At least they probably did
not spend a whole lot of money on that aspect of marketting.
And, just to beat the beehive a little with the definition of flop -
note how many people and webpages refer to the IBM PS/2 line as a
flop. For a flop, they sure made a bundle of dough from them...
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Will