15 Nov
2015
15 Nov
'15
9 a.m.
On 2015-11-15 17:28, Mouse wrote:
Good point. But that just makes it even more complicated.
Agree. I think the whole concept of intellectual property is weird.
Calling some thought in your head a "property" have strange
implications. If I say some words that makes you think of something, can
I then make you violate my intellectual property? When if you thought of
the same idea independently? How did you violate my intellectual
property in that case?
Weird...
I think copyright law sortof makes more sense, and should be enough here.
Yes. But I still think that is the best bet for now. I think it could
actually make sense for them to just put out a blanket statement that
they release all claims on any PDP-11 software.
That would hopefully not take much effort or time on their part, and it
would be all that we need.
However, I suspect that it's still a case that noone at HP really dares
to do that. They don't have a clear idea what the ramifications would
be, and so they will not. But one would hope that they will sooner or
later feel that there is not anything left in there that they are
willing to even think of.
If people put
the PDP-11 software up in general, they are violating
copyright laws (and possibly IP rights).
In general, probably. But I have seen it said that there are
jurisdictions that do not recognize copyrights other than their own, or
possibly even do not recognize copyrights at all. I would be surprised
if there were not some networking with at least one such, leading to
the interesting (in the abstract) question of where the infringement,
if any, would occur if someone in such a jurisdiction were to make it
available. Now, what do
you think is the right way to deal with this?
Personally? I think the rightest way is to eliminiate the legal
fiction called "intellectual property", as a good-sounding experiment
that has failed. It is not producing the effects it was put in place
to produce and it is producing a lot of other, ill, effects. However, it is, to put it mildly, unlikely that will
happen; too many
of the mechanisms that would have to be convinced have a vested
interest in keeping it the way it is.
Sad, but true.
I think the best thing "we" can do here is
preserve things in a
demonstrably not-directly-usable form. That is, however, difficult;
second best is probably to privately keep archive copies, not
redistributed, until and unless someone comes forward with a credible
claim to being the owner.
Yeah. Which is basically what I try to do.
Me personally,
I think we need to get HP to release it all.
Quite aside from the other possible projblems with that mentioned
upthread, it's possible that the contract with Mentec is such that
that's not an option for them. (If HP doesn't have a copy of that
contract either, the Right Thing would be for them to negotiate some
kind of replacement with XX2247. Unfortunately, I can't see any
business case for them to spend the staff time that would involve.) It sucks. But, sometimes, the world loses. :-(
Indeed.
Johnny
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