5 Nov
2011
5 Nov
'11
5:37 p.m.
On 11/05/2011 07:18 PM, leaknoil wrote:
I said I hated to think they were still using
VAXStation 4000 to run
critical defense things. When did I ever doubt they weren't ? Did you
even read anything or just decide what it said before hand.
Oh ok, I must've misinterpreted something you said. My apologies. I
retract that part.
and you don't know mine. Anyone that proclaims
Ubuntu installs in anyway
as something I sould be impressed by just loses points. It was was just
the ridiculous to even mention it. My mother could have installed ubuntu
reasonably well as it is now. I don't actually really even care what
your experience is. It is really besides the point. I just found the
Ubuntu thing funny.
I didn't mention the big Solaris machine because I was pretty sure
you wouldn't know what it was.
I feel I can safely say a VMS 5 server would be a
serious risk on any exposed network.
That's nice. In my professional opinion, I wouldn't be too sure at
all, not without some pretty serious evaluation. I say this because
I've tried to crack many a VMS system (white hat) and rarely have I
gotten very far. (username FIELD with password SERVICE notwithstanding)
That was actually the whole point. My comment was
about the guy saying 5
was secure not VMS in general.
And on that part we can agree, as per my previous email.
Why do I have to personally hack something to declare
it a security risk
? It's obviously a security risk to put, a VMS 5 box on the internet
with sensitive data on it. I don't get paid to hack systems but, I
certainly have to secure them.
WHY is that so? WHY is it so obvious? And WHY is it automatically
bad to run hardware in a certain application once it passes a certain
age? You keep making these assertions but you never back them up with
anything substantial. People keep presenting information contradicting
you (poking holes in your "holes", explaining why it's dangerous and
expensive to upgrade for the sake of upgrading) and yet you still make
these assertions, as if you don't even hear what others are saying.
Man I'm like almost 50 years old and been working
on computers forever.
I only wish I was clove-smoking twenty-something. You keep bad mouthing
people that hack web stuff but, that's what the internet is now. When's
the last time you gave someone a shell account ?
That's what some of the consumer-oriented public Internet is, yes.
But it's foolish (not to mention wrong) to assert that that's ALL it is.
That may be all you do with it, but that's not so for many of the rest
of us. Have you actually WORKED on this network?
(same troll, same flame!)
-Dave
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Dave McGuire
New Kensington, PA