10 Mar
2000
10 Mar
'00
9:02 a.m.
This is total bullshit. Total. A very good, long-time friend of mine did 5
years at University to come out with a dual EE/Music Comp. degree and
walked into a $60k per year job with a cutting-edge tech company. He works
8 hours a day, maybe 2 hours extra at home to straighten out paperwork.
Maybe. In addition to his base salary, he receives stock options that just
about double his yearly salary. He is 27 and owns a house in Huntington
Beach, less than three blocks from the shore. He just returned from a
three-week vacation in Italy, after being with the company for 4 years.
Anyone who kills themselves in school to walk out into a $45k per year job
that requires *140* hours per week is not intelligent. A person who does
this today is either a moron or a massochist. If this is what you want for
your children, that's up to you.
This is my last post on the subject. I do wonder what really soured you on
teachers, besides your claim to have studied them so closely in the work
environment. To demean the entire teaching profession as it exists today
in gross generalizations shows a lack of objectivity and portrays you as
nothing but a bitter, old crank.
To that end, I'm not sure what rubs me so raw about this...usually I can
keep my big mouth shut. But listening to someone bash a group of people
who are generally dedicated to their profession, and who put up with poor
materials and low salaries, makes me sick.
Aaron
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Richard Erlacher wrote:
Allison, I believe you've been sold a bill of
goods.
First of all, look at what a teacher has to do for his/her education and
later for his/her salary as compared, say, to an engineering student. From
what I've observed myself, and even more so from what I hear from my boys,
both in college, the workload in a typical week for an engineering student
adds up to about what an education major does in a semester. Secondly, he
doesn't have to look forward to those 7 20-hour-day work-weeks for the next
ten years, and he knows that he needn't worry about being fired, laid off,
or much of anything else that would rock the boat. Sure, he gets about $45K
after ten years, rather than the 60-75K the engineer will get, but he only
has to work a 6-hour day, and he only has to do that 183 days a year to get
full salary and, ultimately a generous pension.
Secondly, look at the quality of those individuals. These are people who
didn't do so well in high school, mainly due to lack of ambition and
diligence, didn't want to work too hard in college, and, of course, couldn't
get into a good college. Fortunately, a good college isn't required. On
top of that, he's chosen a niche in which he only has to work a 6-hour day,
and he only has to do that 183 days a year to get full salary and,
ultimately a generous pension.
Of course he's not into it for the money. He doesn't want to work hard
enough to earn a lot of money.
Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: allisonp(a)world.std.com <allisonp(a)world.std.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: Re: languages (Teachers)
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, George Rachor wrote:
>>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, sjm wrote:
>>>> lazy (everybody has a teacher horror story to tell). But those who
>>>> stand out in my mind were the genuine heros. They were IN to what
>>>> they did. They LOVED the kids. They latched on to us and energized
>>>> us and really taught us. They made us solve problems, they made us
True.
My father was a construction contractor and used to have several teachers
that worked for him during the busy summer months so they could make
what my mother did as a LPN (2years college).
When I left DEC I looked at teaching, I needed a masters in teaching over
any technical degrees and could expect to make 10-20thousand less a year.
It's pretty sad that that the average teacher has 4-6 years of college
education and makes less than the average person with that kind of time in
a technical degreee.
Allison