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That's certainly how it came across to me, and I'm not even one of the principals involved. You may want to have a look at your communication style, since it appears you're generating impressions you don't intend - unless of course you just didn't care whether you came across as trying to be humiliating. (Or, I suppose, unless the humiliating attitude comes so naturally to you you don't even have to try - but that's not how you've usually come across to me, so it seems unlikely.) Actually, from my time here, I'd say that everyone is list etiquette cop - get excessive and various people will cluestick you for it, roughly in proportion to the severity of the offense. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B