4 Apr
2005
4 Apr
'05
9:39 p.m.
From: "Scott Stevens" <chenmel at earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 11:00 PM
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I thought it would be worth adding, to clarify this
for some people who
aren't familiar with the tech involved, some of the background regarding
AT versus XT HD controllers. The IBM PC-AT and AT clones have direct
BIOS support for the hard disk and controller built into the
motherboard. XT and XT-clone motherboards have no direct built-in
support for hard drives. The Hard Drive BIOS support is included as a
'BIOS extension' on a ROM on the 8-bit controller card. Said BIOS
extension code can and is widely varied from controller to controller.
(For further background: the 'BIOS extension' is a feature in the PC
BIOS whereas the built-in BIOS on the motherboard scans a certain
address space looking for a specific signature that indicates a plug-in
card on the I/O channel has inserted BIOS extension ROM at that address,
then loads it as part of the BIOS before proceeding to boot.)
I may not be completely accurate in the above. Anybody, please add to
or correct me as appropriate.
-Scott
Exactly, any variation in hardware or firmware causes compatibility
problems, with an AT 99% of that disappears.
The problem re-emerged on the AT once on board BIOS's and/or different
hardware was used such as RLL.
On 8 bit PC's trying to recover data when a controller dies is much more of
an issue than with 16 bit systems.
I am not trying to say it can't be done but it is a problem which is proven
by the fact that I have seen lots of ideas flying around but have yet to
hear that any of the data has been recovered.
If it was me and I knew there was info I absolutely had to have I might try
a 16 bit controller and see if I could physically read any sectors, if so an
assembly language routine could be written to transfer all readable sectors
to a file on a second hard drive. I would bet money that it wouldn't work
since by definition the hardware is different. Trying it with the wrong 8
bit controller would be even harder.
The best chance of recovery is as said in a previous post to keep trying
different 8 bit controllers and booting with a floppy.
The things working against you:
If it was from a specialty computer like a Tandy they used a different
incompatible set of controllers. Some 8 bit computers had their own hard
disk BIOS's on the system board and required disabling the controllers BIOS
in that case you must find the same type computer and the same type
controller.
Finding the right controller.
Does the controller require a real 8 bit machine, yes not all 8 bit
controllers even worked in 16 bit computers.
Is the drive bad.
Has the drive formatting been messed up.
Is the drive terminated properly.
Is the drive jumpered properly.
To work everything has to work, to fail only one thing has to fail.
Can anyone guess why they charge so much for data recovery?
On IDE all of the truly low level stuff is 100% hidden so the only
compatibility problems with IDE tended to be drive geometry (early problems
when the same drive could be addressed by different geometries) .
Good luck,
Randy
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