Ten Year Rule

I have a similar problem looking on E-bay. Eay (at least the UK one) has a category of #vintage computing'. I really have diffuclty classing 72 pin SIMMs and Pentium motherboards as 'vintage'... I would really hate it if this list became a mostly old PC (or Mac) list. IMHO there are better places to discuss such machines (no, I don't know hwere said places are). Another random thought... Some years ago I was a memer of a computer clu which has a 'hardware and old systems SIG'. THose two interests were grouped togther not just because there was one member who hacked hardware and also ran old systems (I wonder who that was ;-)), but also because it was successfully argued that if you wanted to run an old system you pretty much has to know enough about hardware to fix it yourself, and conversely an old system (even then) was something that you _could_ fix properly (you know, with a soldering iron and 'scope...) Perhaps the criterion for classicness should be that the machine is treated at a much lower level than 'The DVD-ROM goes in here and then you click here' sort of thing. 12 (octal) = 10 (decimal) (Sorry couldn't resist, I spand far too much time working in octal, and no I am not missing 2 fingers) -tony