29 Apr
2016
29 Apr
'16
6:43 a.m.
On 29 April 2016 at 14:50, Todd Goodman <tsg at bonedaddy.net> wrote:
* Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> [160428
18:41]:
[..SNIP..]
And of course I have a completely opposite experience with Gentoo and
the Gentoo communities I visit.
Gentoo is very much of the mind that if you want to do something that
isn't currently possible then you either put some code where your mouth
is or pay someone else to do so.
People who walk in and act like all the volunteers owe them something
tend to not get along well.
Well, it was the early days, well over a decade ago now.
And TBH I never saw the point of building from source. The delays
caused by slow disks, not enough cache, lack of perfect graphics
drivers, inefficiencies in the Linux kernel and so on are a *far*
bigger influence on system performance than compiler optimisations.
TBH I always thought it was a bit of a waste of time.
But the real issue is that, when you look at _really_ fundamental
stuff, such as init systems or filesystem layout, then Gentoo is no
more customisable than any other distro.
There are distros which make _real_, important changes to the
structure and function of Linux. Examples include GoboLinux:
http://www.gobolinux.org/
It completely dispenses with the traditional Unix filesystem
hierarchy. No /etc or /usr or /bin/. *That* is a real change, not
tweaking the compiler flags.
Or NixOS, which has a functional-programming approach to package management:
https://nixos.org/
Those are /really/ different. Gentoo is just putting low-profile tyres
and plastic spoilers on a boring little family car.
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Gentoo
Linux is my
distro of choice simply because i can pick, choose, and compile everything i
want for just about any arch.
I tried it years ago. I found it a very unpleasant experience, and
went to some communities, both online and real-world, to ask for
guidance. One of my questions was "how can I choose a simpler init? I
don't like SysV init, I prefer the BSD one. How do I switch?"
At first they didn't understand the question at all. When I got it
across, the reaction was incredulity: "why on Earth would you want to
do that?!"
I could tweak the compile flags and optimisation of KDE, but not
change the init. That's not customisation in my book: that's
yak-shaving, painting the bike shed a new colour. Basically pointless;
I wanted more profound change, and Gentoo didn't offer it and the
Gentoo community couldn't grasp /why/ I'd want to change something so
profound that it was a given, an axiom, a fundamental.
So I gave up on it before I even had a fully-working system.