5 Nov
2012
5 Nov
'12
4:02 p.m.
On 5 November 2012 23:33, Schindler Patrik <poc at pocnet.net> wrote:
It works, sure. It's no use in 2012, but yes, it works.
Yes, which, as I said, is useless today except for talking to other 1980s Macs.
I want to /use/ my Macs. E.g. to write on them and then send the
result over to my modern Linux PC for cleaning up, format conversion
and submission to my editor or posting on one of my blogs or
something.
So you contradict me and then quote the line that agrees with your
contradiction? Huh?
Am 05.11.2012 um 23:07 schrieb Liam Proven:
I disagree in turn. Until it died of capacitor failure, I had my
Classic II with 10MB of RAM and a 16MHz 68030 on a 16-bit bus running
6.0.8, 7.0.1, 7.5.5 and 7.6.1.
With enough addons to make it a pleasant and productive environment,
System 6 was not really significantly smaller or faster than 7.x, but
it was a lot more limited. 7.0 is better but still very limited and
7.5 introduced new technologies that felt a bit unfinished to me.
I ran 7.6.1 from preference. Its performance was just fine, even on a
machine below the official lowest spec the OS will support. By modern
OS standards it is tiny and very simple and quick.
If someone is not a classic MacOS expert, I would recommend they run
the latest version that their hardware can support.
Yes, 6 does Appletalk, but Appletalk is really almost no use today and
is no help in trying to get a classic Mac talking to modern machines
for file transfer or anything. You *need* TCP/IP and the latest web
browser you can find, just to have a chance of downloading anything -
I used Netscape Navigator 4.0.4 or Communicator 4.6 or thereabouts.
In fact, for the SE/30, I'd say go for 7.5.5.
I'd disagree. It eats a LOT of RAM and CPU-Resources. And it takes WAY
longer to boot. 7.5.5 would be my choice on 040-machines. Even on my IIfx,
I'm "only" running 7.1. Networking
Macs got a /lot/ easier between System 6 (arcane & quite
complex), 7.0 (easier), 7.5 (vaguely sensible) and 7.6 (really pretty
easy).
Networking was pretty easy with System 6. Networking is not only restricted
to TCP/IP. AppleTalk works like a charm, even with System 6. There also
basic client apps for some services. Eudora, Fetch, Newswatcher, Ircle,
MacX...
Again, not worth the bother in 2012. Effectively, Sys6 cannot do
anything at all on the C21 Internet.
System 6
doesn't really natively understand networking.
Wrong. It does not natively understand *TCP/IP*. It speaks AppleTalk thru
LocalTalk, Ethernet- and Token Ring-Boards. 7.0 does
Wrong. You also need MacTCP.
> but only speaks Appletalk unaided. Wrong. There's no difference between System 6 and
up to System 7.1 in terms
of networking.
This is exactly what I meant. OT is not bloat and it works more easily
and usefully than MacTCP, which IIRC doesn't even understand DHCP. In
other words, it too is rather useless today.
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7.5 has a vague notion of what TCP/IP is but
doesn't really approve of it.
:?)
By 7.6 they'd given in and accepted it but your SE/30's too old.
System 7.5 upwards had OpenTransport. It's really bloat but if you own a
fast machine, it's worth the effort.