First, I'd like to say thanks to everyone that has provided help. The
insight provided by this group is invaluable in getting a system like this
going :-)
I did a quick inventory of the cards in the rear of the machine plus a
second 1000 carcass that I have and this is what I found:
* (2) Time base generator
* (3) Microcircuit A-2222 / 12566-60032 cards
* (1) 55613 GMR-1 - I have no idea what this is.
* (1) HS Terminal - 12531-80025
* (1) INTF - 1337
* (3) Natel 2101 R/D Converter
I understand the "Time Generator" card but, really don't know the functions
of the other cards. I know some of this info may be on the spies/~AEK site
but, haven't had time to filter through those docs.
The machine also has:
* (1) 64K HSM 12747H - High speed memory
* (1) MEM CONTR 2102B
* (1) M.E.M 12731
I'm assuming these are just extended memory cards and controllers.
At this point, the HP basic route certainly seems like the most doable. I
did see those images on Jeff's site but, was pretty clueless as to how to
get the data into the machine.
Bob: exactly what is involved in your "Paper Tape Emulator". From the
functional description, it doesn't sound all that complicated. This may be
something, I could hack together.
As a side note: I know where there are two more 1000/E that I could get for
about $200 each. While I haven't inventoried them, each of those systems is
a FULL rack of goodies including disk drives, X/Y data monitors, A/D
converters, etc... One of the systems has a combo tape/hard drive and could
possibly still have the OS installed. The other one has dual 8" floppies.
I'm running out of room for rack sized systems but, those probably deserve a
good home (mine).
Happy holidays to all,
SteveRob
From: Bob Shannon <bshannon(a)tiac.net>
Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: HP 1000/E
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:56:42 -0500
Wow, you got an amazing deal!
I've been looking for a spare 2113 for a while now, as I have a custom
instrument that is based on a HP 2113 processor. I would have easily paid
10
times that price!
As for operating systems and software, you have at least two options...
First, the easy path...
Simply run HP's stand-alone basic. You can download a binary image of the
media, originally a paper tape, from Jeff's HP2100 Archives. Now you need
a way
to get
that data into the machine, and a console port.
You will also need a 'Buffered TTY Register' board to serve as a console
serial
port. Later HP machines (like the 2113) often use the BACI (Buffered Async
Communications Adapter) board, which is NOT compatible with HP Basic.
Depending on what interface boards you have, we may be able to work out a
deal.
I usually boot HP Basic from a custom tape reader emulator that holds the
binary
image of the paper tape in EPROM. This reader-emulator connects to a HP
'Microcircuit Interface' board, and the software is loaded using the
built-in
boot loader ROMs in the HP 2113. You simply power up, set a few switches
on the
front panel, then press IBL, Preset, then IBL once again, and the loader
code is
stored in memory. Pressing RUN at this point will load the tape image into
memory, and away you go.
Now then the hard way...
HP's operating system's for these machines are pretty nasty. The 'top of
the
line' OS was RTE-6VM, and the more common OS was RTE-IVB (RTE 4B). These
operating systems were unlike anything I've ever seen, cryptic, obtuse, and
fairly painful to use. As an example, to run a compiled program, you had
to
link the code into the OS itself.
The hardest part here, is getting a useable disk system. RTE-IVB uses what
were
called MAC interface disks, while RTE-6VM also supported ICD drives, using
a
specialized version of the IEEE-488 interface.
Supporting the original operating systems is a lot of work, and I strongly
reccomend you run HP Basic.
Now, what exactly do you have?
The HP 2113 was one of the last machines in a long series going back to
1968.
Your 2113 is binary code compatible with the original HP 2116, the first HP
product to use the then new-fangeled IC chips. HP2113's were still selling
for
$13,000+ in 1983, and are exceptionally well-built.
It has no stack, but executes subroutines much like a PDP-8. In addition
to the
original HP 2116 instructions, the HP 2113 also adds several new registers
and
instructions, as well as a virtual memory scheme that can address 1
megaword of
solid-state memory.
Oh yes, many of the original interface boards from a 1968 HP 2116 will plug
right into your 2113 and work perfectly (but not the cool oscilloscope
point-plot display board...).
I have a MS-DOS based version of the HP assembler, so you can assemble
small
programs on your PC. I am also working on a program for the PC that will
send
the paper tape image from the assembler into the HP via my tape reader
emulator. Once this is working, it should be possible to boot the HP
directly
from a file on the PC's disk.
Take a careful inventory of the interface boards you have, and we can see
if
there is something in there you can use to get your machine running HP
Basic.
(many generic HP interface boards can be made to serve as psudo-tape reader
interfaces).
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