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From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at
classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of tony
duell
Sent: 16 June 2015 14:55
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: RE: using new technology on old machines
Sure, the pre-manufactured boards can allow you
to prototype
quickly... but I think Tony is kind of bemoaning the loss of the "old
way" and I respect that ... I kind of miss it myself, even though I
wasn't there to experience it first-hand ...
It's also that this is the 'classic computers' list. To me, classic
computing means
rather more than just the hardware. It also covers the
design and
construction methods, technology and so on. And there seems to be
precious little of that in a modern microcontroller acting as a clock
oscillator.
There isn't., but some-times we have to compromise, and sometimes we choose
to compromise. I looked at the circuit of the M484 and I might not have the
parts in the parts box...
.. its also a nasty hybrid design with DC biased NPN and PNP transistors. I
find it ugly and can see it being a pig to debug, though it simulates fine
in LTspice...
I find it odd that people want to have a
lights-and-switches panel, but
are
prepared to totally adulterate the hardware of the
machine that drives it.
There sometimes isn't enough hardware to go round. I would like a front
panel for my SBC6120 but I don't think DEC built a machine with a 61xx chip
and a front panel...
> As an aside, when I restore m 11/730 I am
in 2 minds as to what to do
about
the microcode load device. a TU58 emulator is
certainly convenient, but I
actually would rather get the real tape drives working if at all possible.
After
> all that is what the machine was designed to use.
Nice if you can get it to work.
> > How are everyone's parts bins so empty? My dad is a practicing EE of
> > over
> Mine isn't, but then you knew that,
right :-). When I moved house recently
I
think I had over 30 packing boxes of modern-ish
components and more of
valves and CRTs. Not counting the dozen or so boxes of PCBs (some to use,
some to raid for parts).
I have a good selection of TTL but I am not longer sure if it works. I think
a lot of NOS TTL has rotted internal connecting wire.
> -tony
Dave
G4UGM