World Trade crash...

Just to set the record straight ... I DID NOT SAY ANYONE HAD TO GIVE UP ANY PRIVACY RIGHTS. What I said, was that folks will, ultimately, have to make some choices. In case you wonder about that, read my entire post, please, and don't assume I said what you disagree with just to piss you off. what I said was, in part, "Sadly, the only way in which such acts can be anticipated and prevented in the future is for us to give up some of the privacy we cherish. Technology and law protect those who enjoy this privacy. If we insist on giving aid and comfort to minor criminals by failing to report them each and every time they violate our laws, and if we insist on retaining our privacy, we'll have to learn to tolerate this sort of event. The choice is between our own rights and those of the "minor" criminals. People wouldn't attempt to hide among the populace if they knew that the populace would phone the authorities to report their every action. There's a fine line between complacency and complicity." There's no guarantee that such acts can be anticipated and prevented at all, but it's clear that the only way is to have two guys watching each one of us or to have a computer that reads minds follow each of us around. That's not likely to happen soon. In this case, I disagree with Sellam ONLY in the sense that I don't consider choosing to let someone *other than the government* infringe on my right to live in an orderly crime-free society to be the right of a responsible citizen any more than I believe it's a responsible citizen's right to ignore government abuses. There are rights that have to be defended from infringement by the government and there are rights that have to be defended from infringement by other individuals, not to mention by artificial personages in the form of corporations. Law enforcement is everybody's job, not just that of the police. It starts with doing your part by obeying the laws, continues with changing/obsoleting the ones you don't like, and making new ones as they're needed, and, while it never ends, it also includes doing what you have to in order to ensure everyone else does his part as well. If you're not willing to do that, then you get what you deserve. Unfortunately, then everyone else gets what you deserve as well. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Sieler" <sieler(a)allegro.com> To: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.com>om>; <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:50 PM Subject: Re: World Trade crash...