6 May
2002
6 May
'02
7:24 a.m.
see below, plz.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Smith" <csmith(a)amdocs.com
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: APPLEVISION Monitor
Which is the one thing that warranted the use of the Mac (or whatever it
should be called) in the aerospace behemoth in which I worked when I first
encountered the things. When I started with the things they didn't even have
a network nor did they have a laser printer. They had this lame dot-matrix
printer that didn't print very accurate representations of what was equally
poorly represented on the screen. WYSIWIG was still a work in progress. My
frustration with the MacIntosh (that's how the local grocer spells it!) was
that it wasn't very expandable and there was no simple command line interface
that allowed it to be used to support hardware development and testing. It
was pretty simple to get "up and running," which it still is, and remarkably
so, BUT, within a couple of weeks, back then at least, one had run out of new
things to do on the thing and one simply had to wait to see what software
people brought to market for it. On the PC, one could write programs, plug in
wire-wrap boards, and use the stuff to do useful work. That's what my job
required.
-----Original
Message-----
From: Chris [mailto:mythtech@mac.com]
Richard... are you being treated for your
compulsive liar behavior
problems? You can not possibly have 5+ years of daily Mac use
under your
belt, and show the ignorance of Mac concepts you showed when
asking about
the AppleVision monitor and the Performa 630 (or whatever
model it was
you bought).
Sorry, I have to argue with you here ;)
The fact (well, at least my opinion) is that Apple makes it easy to
remain completely ignorant of most important things about their
computer while still "using" them.
(I'll define "using" in the above as "doing the same mundane things
that everyone else does with their computer")
I'd say that Apple even encourages user-ignorance by not including
applications that will even let you get at the filesystem with their
O/S -- Finder doesn't count because it won't show desktop (and friends)
at all, and God help you if you want to set file attributes. With
OS X, that's hopefully changed.
That lack of utility software, among other things done by Apple (think
all-in-one, closed box designs) serves to keep users in the dark about
many things.
Now, I can't prove this, but I've personally seen it, so take that
how you will. I've of course heard all of the Mac Zealot spin on
my complaints above and I know all about how some people think that
those things are actually advantages -- like a mouse that has only
one button... to avoid confusion -- , but I don't buy it :)
The thing is that I really do like Apple, and a lot of their hardware
and software, and I hope to see it become a good product (for me, It's
already a fine product for some people) some day.
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Not to mention, you stated back when it all
started that you haven't
seriously touched a computer by Apple in 15 years except to pull the
power supplies from them.
Ok, that's somewhat of an odd statement in context.
Could it be that he wasn't doing "serious" work on the systems at the
time?
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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