23 Aug
2006
23 Aug
'06
7:30 a.m.
On Aug 22, 2006, at 2:49 PM, Alexey Toptygin wrote:
OK, now I think you're being unreasonable. Who, pray tell, has these
vast secret VMS installations that we don't hear about? Show me the
VAXen.
They're Alphas, actually. Talk to Eric Dittman
<dittman at dittman.net>. He manages dozens of them, and works in an
industry populated almost entirely of them. He used to be on this
list, but he unsubscribed because of misinformed (but vehement) people
such as yourself. In fact, I'm beginning to think you're actually Dick
Erlacher operating under a different name.
So what you're saying is that VMS is more widely
deployed than
systems that _were_ compromised at defcon 9? More than Win32,
Solaris, Linux, *BSD? And where are these millions of VMS
deployments? I'm the secretary of a DC metro area system
administrators group (>300 members), and I've only heard of one VMS
system in the DC area mentioned in our group over the 5+ years I've
been a member. They were migrating off of it.
I'm not saying there aren't VMS deployments, but I think you're
saying they're comprably common to Windows, Mac or UNIX and
everything I know tells me that is wrong.
Sigh. I didn't say anything other than what I typed above. The
world is full of misguided and/or clueless people who think VMS is
"old", "dead", "legacy" or some other such nonsense, while
in fact it
is extremely widely used...just not in places that we hear about
every day. I don't think it's fair for you to make this
claim. There are millions
of known Windows, Mac and UNIX internet-facing computers that are
under attack every day. There are significantly fewer VAXen (100 times
fewer? 1000? 10000 wouldn't surprise me), which are attacked
significantly less frequently.
The majority of production VMS machines today are Alphas, not VAXen.
Do your homework before YOU start making grandiose claims.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire
Cape Coral, FL