On 3/28/08, Jeff Jonas <jeffj at panix.com> wrote:
I already have
VMS on my Alpha and the VAX; if I can't get Research
Unix on the VAX, I'll stay with VMS. The later additions to Research
Unix evolved in some interesting directions which eventually led to
Plan 9, the OS I develop for at work.
Are you also using Inferno and Limbo?
The last I knew, Rob Pike was still active with Plan 9.
Can't you ask him directly since any Plan 9 user
ought to be a "close personal friend of ..." :-)
Or is all that gone with the Alcatel merger?
As Brian says in his reply (hi Brian!), Rob is at Google and I haven't
had much contact with him, However, I spent last week working with
Charles Forsyth (of Vita Nuova, makers of Inferno) and Jim McKie (Plan
9 developer at Bell Labs), so I do know some of the Masters ;)
I have Inferno installed on all my computers but I don't use it much.
Haven't written a line of Limbo yet, but I intend to get around to
that eventually.
I never got to touch Plan 9
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs
It was ramping up just as AT&T IS was ramping down.
I adored the names of all the BAD movies and the mascot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenda,_the_Plan_9_Bunny
Glenda is the mascot of the distributed operating system
Plan 9 from Bell Labs. It was drawn by Renee French ...
As Plan 9 is named after the Ed Wood film Plan 9 from Outer Space,
Glenda is named after Wood's film Glen or Glenda.
I was curious about the "Aleph" language but that was dropped long ago.
I agree for the need to better express parallelism in programming
instead of just inlines and libraries for threads.
Yeah, I was a little surprised to hear that a lot of Plan 9 was
originally in Alef and was only (relatively) recently converted to C.
I'd love to find a Blit (AT&T/Teletype
model 5620) terminal
and a VAX capable of running v10; that was a brilliant system.
In the late 80s while working on Unix developement at
AT&T IS (information systems), the porting base for SVR4.0
was a 3b2/400 (desktop size) and the 5620.
But later terminals were better.
Citing
http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/retrocomputing/att/5620/5620_faq.html
The successor to the 5620 was the 630 which came out 1987.
The processor changed back to the Motorola 68000
which the developers had wanted all along.
Most of the 630 monitors were amber,
although white and green monitors were also available.
The monitors had a non-interlaced 1024x1024 pixels
and did not have slow phosphors. A second RS232 port was included
with optional SSI (3270 connectivity) and 512K RAM cards.
In 1989 new firmware for the 630 came out
and the name was changed to the 730.
This firmware supported 3 RS232 ports, LAN cards, built-in 4014 emulator,
and enhanced PF-keys. Options to the 730 included the SSI card
(which added the 3rd RS-232 port), ISO and TCP LAN cards,
and an X-cartridge. The LAN cards supported from 512K to 4Meg of RAM.
In 1990, the 730+ came out with a faster 68000,
more EPROM space and RAM was moved from the LAN card to the main controller.
In 1991, ISDN connectivity was provided to AT&T Bell Labs.
Meanwhile, AT&T research came out with a totally new
motherboard controller card using the 630 monitor
with totally new software (Plan 9) and called it a GNOT.
It had a Motorola 68030 as the main processor.
What I'm trying to say is that the newer terminals ought to be
more desirable since they use parts that you can probably still get
and emulate. The 5620 was based on the AT&T WE32000 CPU,
which was fun to use at the time (the heart of the companion 3b2)
but I fear there's no support for it anymore.
A friend has a 5620 but not the games and toolkits
(since TOAD is gone: the AT&T toolchest of unsupported software).
The windowing software used the "layers" serial line protocol
which will also be hard to re-create.
Sigh: it was fun running programs that downloaded into the terminal
(cip: drawing program for PIC,
GEBACA: Get Back At Corporate America: a game where you shoot corporate logos,
the clock-of-all-nations with builtin printer driver and keyboard lock ...)
If you succeeded in crashing the 5620's monitor,
you got a mushroom shaped cloud with the panic message.
I still have some of the red dome 5620 bus-mice
because they were truly the most comfy mice ever made.
I suddenly have renewed interest in making a USB adapter for it.
I found the 5620 web page from:
http://fixunix.com/plan9/241581-9fans-blit-gnot-portrait-monitors.html
Well, I'd be happy to get a Gnot too, I even saw one when I visited
Bell Labs (got to play with the red mouse too), but the Blit has more
charm to it. The monochrome screen, the portrait orientation... just
fun. Anybody who hasn't seen the 1982 video introducing the Blit,
check out
http://herpolhode.com/rob/movies/blit.mpg
John
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