28 Feb
2017
28 Feb
'17
10:40 p.m.
On 2/28/2017 2:34 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote:
In answer to the final point, and the interests of
some analog education, looking at your reffed pdf, page 75, the reason (or one reason)
your duplicated Coco input circuit is not working is the gross impedance mismatch between
the coco tape output and input circuits.
To get to the point, this advice was
golden. After stripping away the
220, 8K2,6K8 and the 56K to Vcc, the unit started functioning. A nasty
60Hz blip was removed by slightly biasing the negative input with a 1M
resistor to GND. The 1M drive to ground pulled the input over so much
lower, making the center around .7V, so I used Tony's idea to create a
.7V reference on the + end with a forward biased diode and a week pullup
to Vcc, which made things ever so much better.
Obviously, given the LM339 issues, this is unworkable in the end, but it
did get me to realizing some outputs on the LM339, so thanks to both of
you.
I can plainly see the oscillation on the comparator transitions, so it
is obvious I need a better comparator. I'll have to source a few
different comparator options from Digikey to fill my parts box.
Suggestions are welcome.
Using the internal AVR comparator sounds like a better
final solution (fewer components), but in devising an
input circuit for the AVR you may be running into the same issue of loading a
high-impedance source.
Though it plays into Tonly's notes about my analog
understanding (or
lack thereof), I was so disillusioned by the analog uncertainties that I
initial focused on the AVR comparator. By correctly biasing the
comparator, I was able to get much better results tonight, but the lack
of any ability to add hysteresis into the design hindered my success.
At transition, the signal simply bounces badly. I tried to construct a
low pass filter (22pF and 5K6), and some variations, but I was not able
to overcome. I then tried to deal with it in SW, but I have not yet
been successful. I'll try again, but lack of hysteresis is a big issue.
However, considering you have a known and fixed source circuit (the coco tape output) you
might try something even simpler for the
AVR comparator input, such as just a 1K series R followed by a 220K to 470K R to GND. The
comparator should then be seeing essentially the coco output
wave shape and levels, without you having to adjust the software detection for biasing
introduced by the input circuit.
I will try this tomorrow.
Jim
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