"Modern" e-mail clients suck! (Was: QUOTING (Was: Truce, compromise reached? - Re: teaching programming to kids - Re: Looking for 8080/Z80 BASIC

-----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2012 9:19 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: "Modern" e-mail clients suck! (Was: QUOTING (Was: Truce, compromise reached? - Re: teaching programming to kids - Re: Looking for 8080/Z80 BASIC Err - no actually - we have system critical IVR applications that run on Windows servers - these are mandated to have an availability and uptime (note BOTH terms) of 99.95%. In the last 12 months we have managed 100% - I cannot same the same of the Solaris hosts which have a slightly lower availability requirement. Also, please point out where Microsoft "recommends" periodic reboots of critical servers - and please don't point to something that was released 15 years ago - something recent. Deny it all you want, but Windows servers are reliable - if they are managed correctly (this applies to all server operating systems). TOC on the Windows hosts is also far cheaper than on some of the other systems as well. Horses for courses, but it irritates me no end when people who have little experience with managing data centres constantly spout of (usually ancient history too) about how bad Windows systems are. For home use, apart from my 8 bit Commies (which I certainly don't use for anything like email or browsing although they are of course capable) I have two systems - one is a dev box running Red Hat enterprise 5.7, this isn't used for day to day "stuff" as the packages are generally poorer than commercially available ones for the "other" OS. That OS is Windows 7 - it's been running for close on 18 months, has never crashed and is only updated when *I* decide it should - ergo only reboots when *I* decide it should. The Windows haters need to get out of the mentality that Windows is a poor OS - that may have been the case with W95/98 (and definitely ME) but two releases (XP and 7) stand out as well designed and reliable systems. I would not use either in a server environment, but then neither would I use Debian in a server environment for the same reason - they are all consumer operating systems. The world has moved on - perhaps the old stodgies should do the same. Lance