On 21 June 2013 16:12, Geoffrey Oltmans <oltmansg at gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Jonas Otter <jonas
at otter.se> wrote:
Consider: the most popular desktop Unix by an order of magnitude (or
2) is Mac OS X. It's outsold all other
commercial Unix variants put
together.
No X.11 and no networkable GUI.
That's not entirely true... it does have X11 support, and I know it
works
to the extent that you can tunnel Xwindows from a remote machine to the OS
X desktop... not sure about the other way around (using a native X11
application) since I haven't had need to do that. It does have a few X apps
(Xeyes, Xterm,etc). I don't think they are installed by default anymore,
but they were in there as of Leopard.
It has an optional install, X11.app, which is a rootless X server
implemented as an Aqua app, rendering window contents via Quartz into
OS X windows - it does not include a window manager.
So yes, you can run X.11 apps on OS X, but OS X's native GUI is not
X-based and not X-compatible.
By comparison, there is ChoX11 for RISC OS, which translates X API
calls to RISC OS API calls and so allows X apps to run natively on the
RISC OS desktop, without an actual X server being involved at all:
http://www.riscos.info/index.php/ChoX11
The point of this comparison being:
* Being able to run X apps doesn't mean being based on X
* Being compatible with X does not mean having an X server
* X can be implemented as a layer on top of other GUIs
* This is comparable to how both Wayland and Mir plan to implement X support
I will say that using X11 remotely on anything but a
really fast network
connection is painful though unless you're only using xterms or very simple
GUI apps. If it's really intensive sometimes I will Remote Desktop to my
work Windows 7 PC and run an X client from there.
Interesting - thanks.
Yes, I've been impressed myself by how well things like Rdesktop work
these days. I know whole offices full of people on thin clients
running entirely via remote-desktop sessions /over the public
internet./ It is actually entirely viable now.
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