24 Jun
2015
24 Jun
'15
5:19 a.m.
On 2015-06-24 13:56, Rod Smallwood wrote:
I was at DEC when much of this took place .
The big concern was not so much the copying but the USSR just buying DEC
product on the open market.
They would set up a front company, sign up as an oem, pay their bills on
time and carry on shipping.
It took a while to sink in that good well behaved customers were he ones
to watch not the ones who were in trouble all the time.
Oh, I know. I'm from Sweden. We had a very big scandal where 5
containers with a VAX-11/782 and peripherials or something like that was
found under strange circumstances. When the whole thing started to be
investigated suddenly no one seemed to know or own those containers. The
system was unclaimed for years, and it became a question of what to do
with it, since no one seemed to claim it. I think it was eventually
decided that since DEC made it, it was returned to them. The original
shipping destination was of course somewhere in Soviet Union. This was
in the early 80s... I'm sure someone can find the full story online
somewhere.
The stuff spy thrillers are made from... :-)
Johnny
The copying was much more like the space race and said a alot about what
silicon processing the USSR had or had access to.
Rod
On 24/06/2015 12:40, Johnny Billquist wrote:
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On 2015-06-24 08:45, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Johnny Billquist wrote:
It's hard to define exactly what a clone is anyways. But DEC was very
aware of the fact that the Russians were copying their stuff.
Just look at the CVAX, when they even put a message in Russian on the
silicon, for anyone to read, if they actually went down and looked at
the chip at the gate level... :-)
Johnny
Well, unless I'm mistaken, when the Russian
VAX-11/730 on a chip came,
DEC had already produced the uVAX II, which is also just a chip, but
much faster than an 11/730, so it's not exactly as if the Russians were
outperforming what DEC was doing... Exactly when did this Russian chip
come out, by the way? Curious on exactly how far DEC had come at the
time of that chip. :-)
Johnny
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That wasn't the question at all Johnny.
I wanted to make clear that not all clones are clones.