LCIII Recap - Apple design fault -47uF reversed!

Send cctalk mailing list submissions to cctalk at classiccmp.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cctalk-request at classiccmp.org You can reach the person managing the list at cctalk-owner at classiccmp.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of cctalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: 10 worst computers of all time (Tony Duell) 2. Re: What is the correct material to use.. (Tony Duell) 3. Re: pdp-11/23 config (allison) 4. Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register (Ethan Dicks) 5. Re: What is the correct material to use.. (Tothwolf) 6. Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register (ben) 7. Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register (Cory Smelosky) 8. Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register (Dave McGuire) 9. Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register (Cory Smelosky) 10. Re: H780 power supply (Mouse) 11. Re: Huge Lot of Vintage Computers- Local Pick up preferred in Flushing Michigan (David Riley) 12. Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register (Ian King) 13. Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register (Ian King) 14. Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register (Ian King) 15. Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register (Ian King) 16. Re: Huge Lot of Vintage Computers- Local Pick up preferred in Flushing Michigan (Matthew D Stock) 17. Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register (Cory Smelosky) 18. Re: H780 power supply (David Riley) 19. Re: Huge Lot of Vintage Computers- Local Pick up preferred in Flushing Michigan (Toby Thain) 20. Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register (Liam Proven) 21. Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register (David Griffith) 22. Re: looking for Daisy Wheel Printer (Tom Sparks) 23. Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register (Cory Smelosky) 24. Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register (David Griffith) 25. Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register (Cory Smelosky) 26. Re: Re: Tech is the biggest problem facing archiving (John Foust) 27. Re: What is the correct material to use.. (Geoffrey Oltmans) 28. Re: Computer ASCII Text Art from the 1970's (John Foust) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:15:05 +0100 (BST) From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: 10 worst computers of all time Message-ID: <m1UQ2MJ-000J4fC at p850ug1> Content-Type: text/plain IIRC, the worst feature wa that (in the base configuration) there was almsot no RAM (if any at all) on the processor bus. Yor BASIC program ws stored in spare locations of the video RAM. This meant that (a) readign the BASIC program to execute it was ridiculously slow and (b) you couldn't program it in machine code (since the RAM was not on the processor bus). ARGH! I think I Would put the VAX 11/730 on the list of 'daftest hardware designs'. even though I like the machine overall. The processor microcode is stored in DRAM. No I am not joking. This means that the procesosr has to be haled every few ms while the control store RAM is refreshed. Every other machine I've see with a writeable control store (that is, the microcode is in RAM not ROM) has ued static RAM for this, for obvious reasons. -tony ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 23:04:47 +0100 (BST) From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: What is the correct material to use.. Message-ID: <m1UQ38P-000J4kC at p850ug1> Content-Type: text/plain N omatter waht is says o nthe can, Wanton Destruciton 40 is nto a usitable lubricant for small mechanisms. In fact this might be what is gummign things up On similar SOny drive,s I take them apart as far as possible and creally clean the parts with propan-2-ol. Keep on workign them back and forth to get the gunged-up grease out. Normally they will work properly with no lubricant at all. And wear on osemthing like an eject mechansim should be minimal. -tony ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 18:42:40 -0400 From: allison <ajp166 at verizon.net> To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only <cctech at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: pdp-11/23 config Message-ID: <5165EAE0.4000005 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 04/10/2013 11:42 AM, Jerome H. Fine wrote: I have one I did that on back in the late 80s and it still runs. I's gotten at least three years solid power on time in a PC and after retirement there Its in a current PDP11 and still runs at least 30 hours a year. I have a bunch I've done that to. A few have failed due to controller board issues (saved as media spares) and one the media is physically good but the controller borked and wrote all over the servo tracks. No reformat possible for the servo information. It was a very good drive save for the gummy rubber bumper in the head assembly. The Hitachi were among the best. The Quantum D540s were also near bullet proof. Most of the VAXEN (qbus) wanted drive larger than 300mb as VMS V5 barely fits in 150mb and with users and added software even 300mb is getting thin. RL02 was far more reliable and more common. 10MB happens to be a handy size for PDP11. ;) I just can't say enough nice things about TK50. (set user/mode:sarcasm=off) But they were the common transfer media and big for its time. that and I have a small bin full of Compact Tape I media with stuff on it. Tk70 was the one to have. There is also TLZ04 tape. Allison ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 18:51:46 -0400 From: Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register Message-ID: <CAALmimnHsy2-NKY8Ue5VMTgc8HUY10BjG1fdyX=bEYxGKoGrHQ at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote: Tasha Yar and Data? -ethan ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 18:09:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Tothwolf <tothwolf at concentric.net> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: What is the correct material to use.. Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1304101754230.2498 at brioche.invalid.domain> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Wed, 10 Apr 2013, Geoffrey Oltmans wrote: Interesting. I wonder if they've changed the formula over the years? I was taught that it was vegetable based, however the high percentage of Heavy Naphthenic Oil /does/ help explain why it tends to gum up, since the lighter hydrocarbons are going to evaporate, leaving the heavier stuff (paraffin) behind. I think I'll stick with something like Boeshield T-9 if I need something with a high paraffin content though. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:35:01 -0600 From: ben <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register Message-ID: <5165F725.3040804 at jetnet.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 4/10/2013 4:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote: >> > Tasha Yar and Data? > > -ethan Give Data a break, Tasha Yar was the most computer like one. Ben. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 23:36:33 -0000 From: "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register Message-ID: <5165F781.8090203 at gewt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 04/10/2013 06:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote: >> > Tasha Yar and Data? > > -ethan > Well...at least it's not the Borg queen... -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 19:37:07 -0400 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register Message-ID: <5165F7A3.90401 at neurotica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 04/10/2013 06:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: >> > Tasha Yar and Data? [cue 1970s porn music] "...programmed in multiple techniques..." -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 23:52:50 -0000 From: "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register Message-ID: <5165FB52.3090805 at gewt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 04/10/2013 07:35 PM, ben wrote: > > On 4/10/2013 4:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote: >>>> >> Tasha Yar and Data? >> >> -ethan >> >> Give Data a break, Tasha Yar was the most computer like one. She was even more computer like than actual computers! -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:21:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Mouse <mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: H780 power supply Message-ID: <201304110021.UAA22211 at Sparkle.Rodents-Montreal.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It wasn't a DEC PSU, but I once fried a PSU by running it with too little load. (It was a Sun SPARCstation SLC or ELC, I forget which, and I was using the PSU without the monitor load it was designed to always drive - http://www.sunhelp.org/~mouse is a page I wrote up for sunhelp.org which, among other things, mentions the experience.) /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse at rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:21:49 -0400 From: David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Huge Lot of Vintage Computers- Local Pick up preferred in Flushing Michigan Message-ID: <C2FDB6FE-EDC8-49E6-8163-1A3E9F5C4F90 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Apr 10, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Matthew D Stock <stock at csgeeks.org> wrote: How recently was that? List members have reported recent transactions with him that went just fine, and he's offering local, in-person pickup (preferred, even). As always, caveat emptor, but people can change. - Dave ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:35:44 +0000 From: Ian King <IanK at vulcan.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>, "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register Message-ID: <2F25BE3D5F64F342B56139F31854C9B998D8E71B at 505MBX2.corp.vnw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On 4/9/13 6:33 PM, "Andrew Hoerter" <amh at POBOX.COM> wrote: Yes, the Connection Machine just stirs the primal geek instincts - which journalists do not have. I really see no rationale to their choices. ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:37:06 +0000 From: Ian King <IanK at vulcan.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register Message-ID: <2F25BE3D5F64F342B56139F31854C9B998D8E737 at 505MBX2.corp.vnw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On 4/9/13 8:14 PM, "mc68010" <mc68010 at gmail.com> wrote: > On 4/9/2013 6:04 PM, Liam Proven wrote: >> On 10 April 2013 01:33, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote: >>> Other than the obvious triteness of the the question--- >>> >>> Joke, N entirely SFW: >> http://www.welookdoyou.com/fufme/ >> >> Real: >> http://www.gizmag.com/lovepalz-iphone-teledildonics-app/24254/ >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/12/sxsw_teledildonics/ >> >> >> There is of course always this too http://public.enemy.org/zt_pdp11.jpg A photo too far.... ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:40:27 +0000 From: Ian King <IanK at vulcan.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register Message-ID: <2F25BE3D5F64F342B56139F31854C9B998D8E767 at 505MBX2.corp.vnw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On 4/10/13 4:35 PM, "ben" <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca> wrote: > On 4/10/2013 4:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote: >>>> >> Tasha Yar and Data? >> >> -ethan >> >> Give Data a break, Tasha Yar was the most computer like one. You're being unkind to every computer that was ever built. Every one. No insult to the actress, she was just following the thread of execution. ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 00:44:25 +0000 From: Ian King <IanK at vulcan.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register Message-ID: <2F25BE3D5F64F342B56139F31854C9B998D8E78C at 505MBX2.corp.vnw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On 4/10/13 4:37 PM, "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: > On 04/10/2013 06:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: >>>> >> Tasha Yar and Data? > > [cue 1970s porn music] > > "...programmed in multiple techniques..." > > -- > Dave McGuire, AK4HZ > New Kensington, PA I always wondered: who would create a *synthetic* life form and programs it to engage in what is arguably the most fundamentally biological of interactions? What could be the motivation... eww, I wish I hadn't gone there. ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:00:05 -0400 From: Matthew D Stock <stock at csgeeks.org> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Huge Lot of Vintage Computers- Local Pick up preferred in Flushing Michigan Message-ID: <51660B15.1070009 at csgeeks.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 4/10/2013 8:21 PM, David Riley wrote: As of last month. Fast correspondence arranging the payment, and USPS ship code almost immediately. Said he'd drop off the package the next day. Follow up the following week, said that he missed the shipping window, and he'd be sending something in a couple of days. Another week and a half and another followup, and he says he can't ship the equipment, and then I'll get a refund in the next day or so. Another few days and another followup, and he says he doesn't have the money in paypal and will pay me as soon as he sells some other stuff. I give the guy up until the limit of the paypal dispute window to resolve the issue, repeated contacts, and nothing. If others want to roll the dice with him that's their business, but it looks like he's got a history of being hit and miss. -Matt ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 01:02:07 -0000 From: "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register Message-ID: <51660B8F.9060603 at gewt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 04/10/2013 08:44 PM, Ian King wrote: > > On 4/10/13 4:37 PM, "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: > >> On 04/10/2013 06:51 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: >>>>>> >>> Tasha Yar and Data? >> >> [cue 1970s porn music] >> >> "...programmed in multiple techniques..." >> >> -- >> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ >> New Kensington, PA >> >> I always wondered: who would create a *synthetic* life form and programs > it to engage in what is arguably the most fundamentally biological of > interactions? What could be the motivation... eww, I wish I hadn't gone > there. Either to make things...easier, or to prove a point. ;) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:27:20 -0400 From: David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: H780 power supply Message-ID: <C69A01F3-C67A-4854-8E32-DD288CE6A246 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Apr 10, 2013, at 8:21 PM, Mouse <mouse at rodents-montreal.org> wrote: Yeah, if you run some of the less intelligent ones with two low a load, the duty cycle on the switcher shrinks to near zero, which means lots of sharp pulses up/down next to each other on an inductor. The end result is not nice. The smarter systems will just hold off for a period if they detect an insufficient load; the even smarter ones will switch in a dummy load automatically. - Dave ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:34:58 -0400 From: Toby Thain <toby at telegraphics.com.au> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Huge Lot of Vintage Computers- Local Pick up preferred in Flushing Michigan Message-ID: <51662152.7040304 at telegraphics.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 10/04/13 8:21 PM, David Riley wrote: I've bought from Steve before with no issues and I would buy from him again. Exactly. About as straight a deal as it gets. --Toby > As always, caveat emptor, but people can > change. > - Dave > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 04:15:02 +0100 From: Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register Message-ID: <CAMTenCEapoDsiPpPfemPOpOG35svtq2HxE9c=ANjjbCU6Tx-pQ at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On 10 April 2013 23:26, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote: > > Barbarella and the Excessive machine? Barbarella and Diktor: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jCh6DqlHTB4/Rkk4QFPvwXI/AAAAAAAAALA/eF7psh7vO14/s… -- Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:03:39 -0700 (PDT) From: David Griffith <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1304102203100.24199 at sleipnir.cs.csubak.edu> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Tue, 9 Apr 2013, Chuck Guzis wrote: This guy: http://www.schlabonski.de/zwiebeltuete.html ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/people/m/pix/comp -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:04:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Sparks <tom_a_sparks at yahoo.com.au> To: "cctalk at classiccmp.org" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: looking for Daisy Wheel Printer Message-ID: <1365656683.98307.YahooMailNeo at web142503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 yea, but they are not impact based One of those 4-colour pritner/ploters using the Alps mechanism. Everybody my Roland plotter has 8 pens slots (DXY-1300) the other plotter is a papercraft cutter -tony PS:? I am using them for art projects ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 05:10:18 -0000 From: "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register Message-ID: <B4DC6C45-CD43-4FA5-BE39-2E9B7A59FFC4 at gewt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On 11 Apr 2013, at 01:03, "David Griffith" <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu> wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Apr 2013, Chuck Guzis wrote: > >> Other than the obvious triteness of the the question--- >> > > This guy: > > http://www.schlabonski.de/zwiebeltuete.html > ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/people/m/pix/comp ?Do I WANT to click any of those? I highly doubt I do. ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:43:54 -0700 (PDT) From: David Griffith <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1304102243180.21085 at sleipnir.cs.csubak.edu> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Thu, 11 Apr 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote: > On 11 Apr 2013, at 01:03, "David Griffith" <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu> wrote: > >> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013, Chuck Guzis wrote: >> >>> Other than the obvious triteness of the the question--- >>> >> This guy: >> >> http://www.schlabonski.de/zwiebeltuete.html >> ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/people/m/pix/comp > > ?Do I WANT to click any of those? I highly doubt I do. That depends... Are you a heterosexual female or a homosexual male? -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 05:50:56 -0000 From: "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: The ten SEXIEST computers of ALL TIME * The Register Message-ID: <471357C8-8BF8-4F71-AE4D-9982EA63F352 at gewt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 11 Apr 2013, at 01:43, "David Griffith" <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu> wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Apr 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote: > >> On 11 Apr 2013, at 01:03, "David Griffith" <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013, Chuck Guzis wrote: >>> >>>> Other than the obvious triteness of the the question--- >>>>> >>> This guy: >>> >>> http://www.schlabonski.de/zwiebeltuete.html >>> ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/people/m/pix/comp >> >> ?Do I WANT to click any of those? I highly doubt I do. > > That depends... Are you a heterosexual female or a homosexual male? Neither. So i'll take that as a no. ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:04:19 -0500 From: John Foust <jfoust at threedee.com> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Re: Tech is the biggest problem facing archiving Message-ID: <201304111311.r3BDBlCO048989 at mx1.ezwind.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:58 PM 4/7/2013, Mouse wrote: Yes, you can run VMware within VMware within VMware. People do it for lab testing to see how a network of VMware hosts will interact with each other. There's a performance hit, of course, but it works. Don't forget to add the complication (a.k.a. feature) that each of those VMware can have their own virtual networks and virtual switches within. And what you do within the virtual machines within each layer is your own business; run whatever emulators within emulators that you like. Also keep in mind that Windows 7 Pro gives you a free downloadable Virtual PC and a license to a Windows XP Mode, and Windows 8 Pro gives you Hyper-V. Virtualization is at the fingertips of desktop users. Functionality that once required a complicated install on its own PC is now distributed as a several-gig virtual machine that includes its own operating system. To me, this is the way that emulators should be distributed for learning purposes. I've seen so many emulators that need all sorts of hand-tweaking of the emulator's configuration that requires foreknowledge of the typical configurations of the emulated system in question. The newbie doesn't know two layers of that. Give 'em a ready-to-go typical experience in an easy download that drops into VMware Player or Hyper-V. ... Now back to your regularly scheduled programming of the latest episode of "Those Who Do Not Wish To Learn Because They Know It All, Not Being Taught By Those Who Do Not Wish To Learn How to Teach The Unteachable." - John ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:32:10 -0500 From: Geoffrey Oltmans <oltmansg at gmail.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: What is the correct material to use.. Message-ID: <CABVr2PvUa7wxhJJ+uy7yePB-=MjxwqANkSesoCfX+sKga+AGYA at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Tothwolf <tothwolf at concentric.net> wrote: I guess we should bear in mind that the lithium grease that they used on the drives originally dries out and/or gets contaminated with dust, etc. and gets gummy over time anyway. :) Just so people don't have the wrong impression: I was NOT advocating the use of WD-40 as a replacement lubricant, but rather an aid in cleaning the drive. Also as Tony just said, the drives eject mechs will work fine without it since they will see little wear and most of the greased parts are just guides rather than bearing surfaces (although they serve that purpose to a minor degree). ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:52:02 -0500 From: John Foust <jfoust at threedee.com> To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Computer ASCII Text Art from the 1970's Message-ID: <201304111355.r3BDt1lF053674 at mx1.ezwind.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:24 PM 4/7/2013, craig at solomonson.net wrote: I'd love to find the original data behind the Mona Lisa that was produced by CDC that was exhibited at VCF 2.0. <http://www.threedee.com/jcm/aaa/images/monaCHC.jpg>http://www.threedee.com/jcm/aaa/images/monaCHC.jpg - John End of cctalk Digest, Vol 116, Issue 32 ***************************************