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On Thu, 6 May 2021 at 02:19, Jules Richardson via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: Oh yes indeed. Sophie Wilson did a talk at the last ROUGOL meeting, last month. Not sure if the video is online yet. I can share it here when it's up if folk are interested. There are a few stories of bring-up of the first ARM chips that were remarkable. * The unanticipatedly low power draw; * Simulating the instruction set in BBC BASIC on a BBC Micro during the design phase, instead of some vastly-expensive bigger system; * The fact that the very first silicon worked very nearly perfectly first time; * Embedding a `MANDEL` instruction into the BASIC for demos, because people expected it so often that it was worth implementing someone's algorithm in ARM code and putting it directly into the interpreter. She's really quite pessimistic about the future of microprocessor manufacture. She gleefully made fun of Intel quite a bit, but pointed out the [cough] _inaccuracies_ and shall we say _over-enthusiastic_ claims of their marketing materials concerning die size. She's quite impressed with AMD's recent designs, which partition parts of multicore processors into separate dies, so that only the bits that really need it can be made on the very expensive tiny feature size processes, and other bits on cheaper, larger feature sizes. Oddly she barely mentioned Apple Silicon, merely that they were extremely aggressive with wide superscalar designs and so on. Her overall point being that although it _is_ possible for transistor sizes etc to get a _little_ smaller than is mainstream now, the industry is now at the point where smaller-feature-size, faster chips are actually getting _more_ expensive to make, not less. We are very nearly at the end of the line of high-end chips getting faster at all. Part of this is due to language design. I noticed myself that in recent decades, chips seem to be designed to run C fast, to put it simply. Wilson feels that the instruction model of C is now a limiting factor, and that one of the only ways to go is something akin to her own FirePath processor design for Broadcom. Firepath is more or less the "Son of ARM". Not much is public about Firepath and this is one of the best references I know: https://everything2.com/title/FirePath It can do things like load 8 different bytes of data into a set of registers, perform arithmetic on them, and depending on the result, put the results back somewhere else or not, in a single assembler opcode in a single cycle... and she feels that no contemporary high-level language can usefully express such operations. I suppose APL might come closest, but it's hardly mainstream. I find it an interesting thought that once the only way to get more performance will soon be to switch to radically different processor architectures that always work in ways very loosely comparable to MMX or Altivec (and their descendants), and write new programs in new languages on new OSes that can exploit deep hardware parallelism. The flipside of the coin may be that current, "traditional" designs will get smaller and cheaper and use less power, and the only way to squeeze better performance out of them will be to use smaller, simpler OSes. There's a chance here for what the mainstream sees as obsolete or irrelevant OSes and languages to enjoy a revival. The vanguard could be VMS. I'd love to see this. I found it amusing after my FOSDEM talk in February, which talked about this. I was talking about some of the ideas on the Squeak Smalltalk mailing list. I listed a set of criteria I'd been using to narrow down my selection of criteria: ? a clean, simple OS, with SMP support, that supported pre-emption, memory management etc. ? in a type-safe language, with a native-object-code compiler ? not JITTed, not using a VM or runtime ? and a readable language, not something far outside the Algol family of imperative HLLs ? that was portable across different architectures ? that was FOSS and could be forked ? that was documented and had a user community who knew it ? that can be built with FOSS tools (which RISC OS fails, for instance) ? which is or was used by non-specialists for general purpose computing ? which can usefully access the Internet ? which runs on commodity hardware ? which does not have a strongly filesystem-centric design that would not fit a PMEM-only computer (i.e. not an xNix) ... and several people went "no, that is impossible. Match all of those at once and you have the null set. And I said, no, this is why I picked Oberon and A2. The result seemed to be a number of people who hadn't been paying much attention sitting up and asking what language/OS this was. It was similar to trying to summarise what I'd learned about Lisp to a Unix community in Another Place a few years ago. It all washed over them until I quoted observations such as Alan Kay's "Lisp is the Maxwell's Equations of programming languages", which made a few people suddenly wake up and go read the links I was providing. Some stuff may yet come back from obscurity. I hope. :-) -- Liam Proven ? Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: lproven at gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn/Flickr: lproven ? Skype: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 ? ?R (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053