Mr Ian Primus wrote:
I was searching on eBay for ESDI stuff, and came
across an ESDI MO drive. Now, this was listed by one
of those listers with eight pages of terms and
conditions, and one line of a really bad description.
It is listed as ESDI in the title, and in the auction,
but near the bottom, it's listed as SCSI. I really,
really want this drive, and I want it ESDI. But I
didn't want to buy this and have it be yet another old
SCSI MO drive. So, I checked with the seller - they
have a website complete with live chat.
I won't post the chat transcript since it's pretty
long, but basically the guy first tried to evade with
"We don't offer technical help" and stuff to that
effect. I was not aware that "Is it SCSI or ESDI" was
such a complicated question. But, he eventually
decided that it was SCSI - I believe he called the
stock room.
So, did they even make this drive in ESDI?
Jerome Fine replies:
The first SCSI MO drive I ever used was from Sony.
The SMO S-501 consisted of two parts (this is from
memory and it was over 15 years ago - so it is likely
unreliable):
(a) A C-501 PCB about the size of a 5 1/4" drive which
had a 50 pin SCSI header interface for the host adapter
and a 34 pin / 20 pin (2 of these if I remember correctly)
header interface for each of the 2 supported drives. This
board was called a controller and was completely separate
from the drives
(b) A D-501 5 1/4" drive which I was told had a MODIFIED
ESDI interface and used standard 34 pin / 20 pin edge
connectors. Exactly what the word modified meant specifically
was never made clear, however, Sony made it VERY clear that
the C-501 controller PCB was required to interface the D-501
drive to a SCSI host adapter and any warranty on the D-501
drive seemed to be dependent on using the C-501 controller
as an interface.
In practice, the C-501 actually handled TWO D-501 drives, so
the complete set up was a bit less expensive than later
drives for which the 50 pin controller interface was embedded
with the drive - when TWO drives were used.
Since the customer who ordered the dual MO drive setup
used a SCSI host adapter as the interface - and no other
interface was available at the time, the question of
using the C-501 never arose.
It sounds like you are being sold a D-501 drive without
the C-501 controller.
Eventually, the C-501 / D-501 was discontinued and Sony
produced ONLY an integrated SMO S-501 drive.
By the way, the capacity of each SMO S-501 drive or the
original D-501 was 295 MB using a 512 byte sector size.
MOST media were double sided, although that meant physically
removing the media, turning the media over and inserting
it back into the drive. Which meant that ONLY one side
could be used at a time. However, someone in marketing
decided that the SMO S-501 had a 590 MB capacity and the
drive was advertised and sold on that basis. Sort of
like the original 180 KB byte floppy drive and single
sided media - which could have additional holes punched
and the other side used as well. BUT I never heard of
a 180 KB 5 1/4" floppy call a 360 KB drive when used
with media that could be removed and turned over, then
inserted again to use the other side.
Over the past decade, the SMO S-501 drives with the embedded
controllers have been available on eBay and sold for less
than the shipping cost. After I acquired 3 or 4, as well
as sufficient media, I used them as my primary backup
on the PDP-11/73 for about 5 years in addition to the
interchange media for the Pentium III running RT-11 under
E11 using, yep, the same SMO S-501 drive (with an Adaptec
AHA-2940AU host adapter).
The drives don't receive much use lately since the backup
has become 4.7 GB DVD media on the Pentium III, although
if I ever need to transfer anything over 10 MB back to
the PDP-11/73, I guess that the SMO S-501 would be the
drive to be used.
Does this answer your question? If you need some media,
I can probably make some available. But I would suggest
that you pass on the D-501 drive and get the SMO S-501
if you really want to use that type of media. If the
vendor is willing to loan you the drive to test it (at
his risk) on your ESDI controller, then I guess that
might be reasonable if you enjoy the challenge.
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
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