-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Duell ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk
Sent 8/31/2008 2:07:39 PM
To: cctalk at
classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Free Linux and OpenOffice - even if your email address doesn't
We run HP, IBM, Sun, Cisco, and Dell hardware, and I
hardly see
ANY of them giving out schematics.
I doubt Tony has any DELLs, but I'm fairly sure he has some
HP kit ... an HP Laserjet iirc.
Actually, I have a _lot_ of HP computers, going right back to their first
desktop computer, the Model 30 calculator (HP9830). I have HP calculators
older than that, of course.
Heck I use an HP handheld calculator all the time. And yes, I have
schematics. Yes, I have the ROM sources. It doesn't bother me that the
latter are often stamped 'NOMAS -- Not Manufacturer Supported --
Recipient agrees not to contact the manufacturer' I am quite capable of
reading and understanding them on my own.
You'll note he said _he_ wouldn't use anything he couldn't
support himself. He's not saying that you should use the
same approach in the office ... that's not where the important
stuff lives!
_Escatly_..
Let's go back to the comment that started this debate. I make no secret
of the fact that I run linux. I considered what was important _to me_ in
an OS : availability of the source code -- not necessarily open-source, a
source license I could afford would be acceptable; the fact that I prefer
a good CLI to a GUI; that it would run the software I need (a C compiler,
TeX/LaTeX, etc) and so on. And I concluded that linux was the best choice
_for me_ so that's what I run.
Now, I don't think it's the best choice for everyone. Other people have
different requirements and desires, they end up with a different OS that
suits their needs. So? Waht's the problem?
IT's the same with many other things. I don;'t suppose many people,
buying a new car, would have the same requirement top-of-the-list as my
father did recently. Namely that the official workshop manual had to be
available. But it was important to us.
-tony
The whole debate started, when I simply notified the list, that anyone who ran Windows,
and was in school,
or knew someone in school, and had an .edu email address, could get an academic copy of
Office 2007 Ultimate
for $60.
After that, all the Linux/Open-Source bigots came out decrying it. OpenOffice was
menetioned as being the be-all end-all
and being free, and I promptly downloaded it, installed it, and it wouldn't even open
1/3 of the work my wife did last semester.
Now, does that mean it sucks? No. Did I say it sucked? No. But the Zealots took it as
such, and kept going from there.
I never said you couldn't use Linux+OO in school - I am sure MILLIONS already do. I
just made the point that it was NOT
the right solution for my wife. She is not exactly, um, computer saavy, and has no desire
to be, so for my situation, I saw it
best to give here Windows+Office, because working 10-12 hours at the office, and then 4
more VPN'd from home, I REALLY
didn't want to add to my load... But the bigots INSISTED...
I am in TOTAL agreement with what you say - we run many environments at work, and there
are MANY instances
where Linux is the ideal solution. We currently have about, oh, let's say 12-18 Linux
servers at work, (2) of which are hosting
semi-large Oracle databases, on the order of about 40GB, and running on HP Proliant DL380
G3's or G4's (depending on age)
and either (6) 72GB or 146GB drives in RAID5, again depending on age.
They run fine, work fine, kick the SNOT out of equivalent Windows boxes hosting Oracle,
and as you pointed out,I have NEVER
had a virus/malware/trojan issue to speak of.
And we all know that is NOT the case with Windows boxen!
As to TCO, well I don't know what you're getting at, as I just pay yearly fees for
the M$ True-Up, and the eTrust AV. Comes up to about
$785/year for both. Now, workstations are a bit more, and btw, all ours are NOT the same,
depending on age, and the property they are at.
I still have Compaq Deskpro EN (P3/800-1000) in the enterprise, HP Workstations, multiple
versions of Dell SX and GX-series machines,
And Dell/IBM Laptops (mostly Dell Latitudes now, D600/D610/D620/D630, as most TPads have
been retired). And most times, I don't get a
parts-swapping droid when we call HP/IBM/DELL - we usually get overnighted the bad part,
so it's back up and running the next day, assuming
next day service on that machine, and assuming not the weekend. The only exceptions are
the servers, which come with a 3YR warranty, and
we pick up the next day, 24x7 support on those.
As I said...my first introduction to free *nix was 386BSD in about '94 or so, followed
by Linux, although it was still 2 floppies, and then to FreeBSD, which
was the next progression of 386BSD - played a little with Minix, but it was a bit
closed-in for me - Linux was gathering steam, and developers
were getting strongly behind it, which is when I switched over from *BSD to Linux. Things
were happening REALLY fast in the Linux world, and
were slowing down in *BSD. And then they started the whole *BSD split-offs I figured it
was time to switch over for real.
Heck, I think I still have quite a few of the older media around, back when Linux was the
"In thing" and was being sold retail in
Best Buy / Circuit City / etc.. I CLEARLY remember, before affordable WiFi days, the copy
of Corel Linux I bought retail, was about the ONLY operating
system, that out-of-the-box, would properly run with those RayCom 2MBit wireless cards.
Not Windows, and not other Linux distros - I'm talking OOB, here.
And I remember loading that on an HP OmniBook of some sort, Pentium 200 or so, as I
recall...
ps - forgive the formatting, as this is through my Webmail because my work XP laptop is,
surprise, running malware / trojan cleaning apps.
Tony