14 Jul
2015
14 Jul
'15
3:29 p.m.
On 2015-07-14 16:09, Paul Koning wrote:
Yeah. Segment is something I usually associate with the solution done in
the 8086 family, where you essentially have a segment register which
gives the base, and then you work from there. Essentially all memory is
one chunk.
The 8086 have both an instruction and a data segment, which just means
that some instructions refer to data, and that uses the data segment
register, while instructions (obviously) are addressed through the
instruction segment register. I never worked with the 8086, but don't it
actually also have a third segment register? Not that I can remember
what it was used for... Oh, and all references are relative to the
segment register (should be obvious, but I figured I should point it out.)
On Jul 13, 2015, at 8:52 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt at update.uu.se> wrote:
On 2015-07-13 21:16, Rich Alderson wrote:
To me, ?segment? means a chunk of memory. It doesn?t refer to separate page tables, or
page tables broken into pieces. And as I recall, the terms ?instruction and data
segments? were in common use to describe the feature. ...
[2] With memory management, 18 or 22, in 16-bit
segments. Late models could
use separate instruction and data segments, for a total of 128KB in use at
one time.
??? What segments??? The PDP-11 have a plain simple page table. No segments anywhere in
sight. And each page is 8K. The PDP-11 is a bit unusual in that each page is *up
to* 8k, the actual size (and whether it?s the lower or the upper part that is accessible)
is specified by the page description register for that page. Also in that the physical
address of the page isn?t constrained to a multiple of the (max) page size.
Yes, the fact that pages on a PDP-11 do not have to be the full 8K is a
bit special. Or, was. Machines nowadays are actually more reminding me
of the PDP-11 than other contemporary systems. Today we are once more at
really large page sizes, and actually variable length pages. I don't
remember if page physical address needs to be on a multiple of the page
size on todays machines, but since page sizes can vary I don't think so.
So very much like the PDP-11...
Johnny
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