Subject: RE: Smithsonian gets it wrong
From: "Vassilis Prevelakis" <vp at cs.drexel.edu>
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:54:52 -0500
To: cctalk at
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"a.carlini at ntlworld.com" <arcarlini at iee.org> wrote:
> Vassilis Prevelakis wrote:
> Hello?? The label says its a *MICRO*VAX, and if its a uVAX, then
> its not a mini. Also, calling the baby-sized uVAX a mini gives
> visitors who may have never seen a mini-computer the wrong idea as to
> what a mini-computer looks like. Sure I'll accept that its *compatible*
I'd not call the MicroVAX a mini, but it *is*
a VAX.
Actually I agree, I got carried away in my original posting.
My main objection is the mini designation. The uVAX is not a mini.
In the early 80s IBM produced a set of ISA cards for their original
PC. These cards implemented a large subset of the IBM 370 architecture
and the PC could boot some 370-compatible OS (I do not recall which
one). The called it the IBM PC/370. It was a 370 but I wouldn't
call it a mainframe, nor would I place a card next to it saying
IBM 370 MAINFRAME [...], and this is the model PC/370
produced in (say) 1984.
**vp
Your still skating on thin ice. The whole concept of a mini was that
a mini was not a maxi. there was never a clear delineation and those that
got the term like the PDP-8 were minis because they were distinctly smaller
that most peoples perception of computer at that time (multiple 6ft
high racks.). By 1985 that idea meant a MicroVAX was a mini and the VAX
was the big fella. But by then we called the little ones micros and the
big guys something else other than minicomputers.
Sorta like for the last 15 or so years PC universally applies to personal
computer and it's implied that it is wintel. But from about 1970ish to
around 1981 PC meant Personally owned Computer and it could be anything!
For example I was offered a Cincinatti Millichron CM2000 in 1973 for
$2000 (price of a new truck) and if I'd done that it would have been
my first PC even though the box was 19Wx11Hx28D and it weighed at
least 80 pounds without the ASR33.
So terms like mainframe, mini are sometimes hard to pin down.During the
'70s the mid 60's idea of mini became smaller and machines like the VAX
and Eclipse were called superminis. But that left the desktop Novas and
PDP-8/e/f/m to be called what? Micro was easier as it really had to
contain the core processor on one or very few chips that were LSI or
VLSI. So without wrapping the timeframe context around the words there
is considerable drift in what the images it conveys.
For context when minicomputer was first coined and applied a womans
skirt was calf length and a miniskirt was, well, too short safely to
bend over without risk. But even that industry had the micromini. ;)
Allison