12 Feb
1998
12 Feb
'98
5:26 a.m.
At 11:44 AM 2/12/98, you wrote:
You're both right, in a way.
John H.: Chuck the disks, give up license. Yup.
John F.: The upgrade disks require a license to previous software -- you
now essentially have two linked licenses - you cannot legally give up 1/2
of that license, so: "Don't throw the original media away." - to do so
could be asking for trouble.
So here's a question: Let's say you find dox & stuff for Lotus V.2 in the
dumpster, but with only the original disk 1 of the 3-disk set (IIRC). Do
you in fact have the license, or not. Is the license bound to *all* of the
media?
When I did software audits, they had to have the complete set of disks.
Also if they had an upgrade they had to have the original disk for the
upgrade lincense ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^ "ownership" to be valid. (I don't like
the term license. A license is different from legal ownership of a software
package. Just like a driver's license is different from legal ownership of
a car.) If someone threw out their original disks and keep only the upgrade
disks, they were throwing out their ownership of that SW package. If
someone else found and keep the original set of disks, then he became the
owner of that SW. But only the version that was on the disks). In this
case, the original owner had no right to continue to use the software even
if he still had the upgrade disk!
And yes, we have talked to lawyers about this, at LOT of them! We have
also talked to ASP (not SPA!) about it.
Joe
;-) Clearing the snow from my glasses, I saw John Foust
typed:
>John Higginbotham <higginbo(a)netpath.net> wrote:
>>If I then came across a higher version for that
>>product and it was cheaper if you already owned a previous version (say it
>>takes the older version disk to upgrade to newer, then I'd expect to pay
>>the cheaper price, because it is upgrading the program found on my original
>>set of install disks, that I rightfully own.
>
>You might hope to pay the lower upgrade price, but Autodesk will surely
>tell you that you have someone else's copy, and without a letter of
transfer,
they won't
sell you an upgrade. Or if the copy had already been upgraded,
they'll transfer you to their anti-piracy department.
Yes, but to own a version upgrade versus an actual standalone product, you
*must* keep the original version. If you own V9, and upgrade to
V10/11/12/13/14 on that basis, you cannot toss your V9 media -- or you are
chucking the license that allows you to own just the upgrade and not the
real thing.
Methinks Autodesk's anti-piracy department would set up a conference call
between them, you and the folks who threw away the older media, because the
company doing the pitching is wrong as well, for without proof of the
original, they have essentially pirated the upgrade version.
I look at
it this way: If someone throws away the disks, they are giving up
their license to use the product.
Not if they upgraded. It may seem ridiculous of me to pretend for the sake
of argument that these disks came from a dumpster, but that's in fact the
way a lot of us collectors get our stuff. :-)
If this is the case, then that version of Autocad cannot be split. To xfer
the license, you need to xfer *all* the media involved - to throw away half
would be wrong, the way it seems to me.
Just my $0.00000000002 (that's what it's worth, anyway... ;-)
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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