12 May
2010
12 May
'10
5:43 a.m.
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:02 AM, Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> wrote:
you know, you trolls have to find better ways to take things out of context, this is
pretty lame.
I never said it was an os/2 port. All I said was:
?"Hey, i've got a TK50 in a PDP11 that happens to have OS/2 on it, this is very
strange... I wonder what this is?"
and about the sun workstation, the guy that wrote the first email protocol did it on that
station,
or at least finished it there. You can ask him yourself, but he doesn't respond to
twits.
and i have said since the beginning i was willing to be proven wrong.
but instead of constructive criticism or converse, or even any proof at all to speak of,
what do we have, mindless personal attacks, insults and non-constructive comments.
I like the other explanation of valtrep better, it fits better.
that was that it was fortran specially repurposed for the system it was on.
but, that's barring any real hard evidence either way which no one has yet produced.
yes, excerpts from ieee journal or whatever, no company history,
no language epidemiology.
no, just more internet trolls. Somehow I thought this list was better than that, oops,
wrong again...
No, Dan, we're not trolls and we're not trolling. That's not what the
word means in this context. A troll is someone who pops up in a public
forum and says provocative things, such as claims that are outrageous,
offensive or blatantly false, in the hope of provoking people into
intemperate reactions - such as swearing, foul language, or long
pointless threads trying to explain why something is wrong.
If someone disagrees with you, that does not make them a troll. But if
you pop up and claim things that are fairly manifestly not true, then
that may well make *you* a troll.
When you're discussing things with a group of experts, and they all
say you're wrong, the reasonable response is not to get agitated and
start being insistent or calling them names, it is to consider that
perhaps *you* are wrong. Perhaps someone in good faith told you
something wrong, or perhaps you misunderstood a word - say
"preprocessor" for "predecessor", or "etymology" for
"epidemiology" to
use your own example.
For instance, your "first machine on the internet" and "machine email
was created on".
Email was a feature of some of the fairly early multi-user computer
systems of the beginning of the 1960s. It was widespread by the days
of minis such as the DEC VAX by the 1970s.
SUN (initialism for Stanford Universal Network) was founded in 1982
and its workstations became common in the early- to mid-1980s.
Therefore it is simply not possible that the first email, or email
client or email message or email protocol, was designed on a SUN
workstation, because email was around *twenty years* before SUN
workstations existed.
If someone personally told you this, either you did not understand or
he lied to you. What you are claiming is simply not possible.
You also claimed it was the first machine on the Internet, which dates
from the mid-1970s, again, nearly a decade before SUN
was founded. It
is just not possible. In fact SUN was set up to build
Internet-compatible Unix workstations, pretty much; SUN is a /result/
of the Internet, not the other way round.
Next, your forgotten "ancestor of Fortran" from the '70s.
FORTRAN dates from the early 1950s, so again, no 1970s language from
20Y later was any kind of ancestor of it.
If someone told you anything different, either they were wrong, they
were lying, you misunderstood or you remember what you were told
incorrectly.
Then there's your PDP-11 port of OS/2.
The PDP-11 was a 1970s computer. By the 1980s it was being replaced by
VAXen. OS/2 1.0 was released in 1987, long after the PDP-11's time;
OS/2 was designed in 1985 for Intel's 1982 80286 chip.
DEC's TK50 cartridges were an ancestor of what became the Digital
Linear Tape standard which is still around today. It is now used on
many PC-based servers and has been used on many non-PDP systems over
the years, including VAXes, which were sometimes used as fileservers
on PC networks using DEC's implementation of LAN Manager for VMS:
PathWorks. I administered such systems in the 1990s, and it was a
bloody awful dog-slow server, but the bundle of stuff with it was
useful and companies with a DEC VAX backbone and PC clients found it
useful.
However, in those days, DLT type drives were rarely found on PCs. This
really started in the mid to late 1990s when OS/2 was really a fading
memory.
It's possible that someone might have put OS/2 files on a Pathworks
server that got backed up onto DLT cartridges - but that would just be
a volume of a VAX backup set, and so unlikely to be labelled with the
specific contents.
The thing is, your claims are, to be charitable and polite, just ridiculous.
Sorry, dude, I'm not trying to be mean or nasty here, but the reason
that people are making fun of your claims is that they do not even
remotely stack up, and you're making them in a place which is
specifically filled with people with loads of specialist knowledge
about the subjects you're making claims about.
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