29 Jan
2019
29 Jan
'19
1:46 p.m.
Dang it - the dates fooled me. (blush) Sorry to get your hopes up,
Fritz.
Here is some more accurate information:
The first set:
The first page (the directory) is actually 6/76 in the revisions
block. It is *later* than the one on bitsavers.
Interesting, though: it actually shows TWO directories. One column
is labeled 11/45-1 and the second 11/45-2. It looks like the 2nd
column is for a later CPU, KB11-D.
This set appears to be mostly index pages and chassis/power supply.
The one on Bitsavers includes the KB11-A drawings, which I have as
a separate document (complete with cover).
The KT11-C is actually 12/75
It is *later* than the one on bitsavers.
The KB11-A is actually 4/76
The FP11-B is 7/72 rather than 3/72
THIS IN FACT IS THE ONE ALREADY ON BITSAVERS:
There is a name and "stamp" on the first page that
is quite recognizable, and the dates on my scan
match.
So, I won't rescan it. ;)
The FP11-C is 12/75 as noted [And is not currently on bitsavers]
I will still scan them in except for the one (and the other manuals Noel
identified).
Apologies for the confusion. I was using the date in the date block on
the bottom right of the first page - I didn't notice the revisions block
on the bottom left. 8(
JRJ
On 1/27/2019 9:07 PM, Jay Jaeger via cctech wrote:
I think I can help some. I have a PDP-11/45 From U.
Wisc. ECE that
claims to be S/N 1525 .
* I do NOT have an actual wire list, it seems, but I will hunt a bit
more tomorrow or Tuesday.
* I DO have earlier PDP-11/45 CPU drawings, but no ECO info
Here is what I have for drawings:
B-DD-11/45-0-AJ Basic Assy (PDP11/45) 5/72 [Not CPU Cards]
D-CS-5409684-0-1-H 11/45 Console Board 3/72
B-DD-KB11-A-0-AA 16 Bit Processor May-72 [NOT CPU HERE]
B-DD-DL11-0-K
B-DD-KW11-0-*
B-DD-BM873-0-F
B-DD-KT11-C-B
D-IC-11/45-0-1-H Power System Configuration
K-WL-7009540-0-2 Wire List (small - only 6 pages)
B-DD-861-0-L
B-DD-H7420-0-E
B-DD-H744-0-R
B-DD-H745-0-R
B-DD-H746-0-E
E-CS-H754-0-1-T
A-AL-11/45-0-3-B Accessory List
D-AR-11/45-0-4-C (Rack Configurations)
C-PL-11/45-0-4-D Arrangement Parts List
B-DD-M9301-0-D
B-DD-KT11-C-B
[NOTE: Use KT11-C Only with KB11-A & FP11-B,
Use KT11-CD Only with KB11-D & FP11-C]
[M8107, M8108]
KB11-A Engineering Drawings [PDP-11/45 CPU]
KB11-A-0-AA Dated May 72
[M8100, M8101, M8102, M8103, ROM Control Listings for M8103,
M8104, M8105, M8106, M8109, M8116, M930, M9202]
NO wire list
(Curiously, I also have KB11-C, 11/70 drawings.)
B-DD-MF11-U-B 16K Core [M8293, G235, G114, H217, M7259 (Parity Control)]
B-DD-MS11-B-B MOS Memory [M8110, G401]
B-DD-MS11-C-B Bipolar Memory [M8110, M8111]
B-DD-MS11-C-C Bipolar Memory (ECO MS11C-00003) Mentions M8120
B-DD-FB11-0-A FP11-B Floating Point Processor March 72
[M8114, M8115, M8112, M8812 ROM Control Listings, M8813]
B-TC-FP11-C-6 FP11-C (Print Set MP00038) December 75
[M8126, M8127, M8128, M8129]
DEC-11-HFPAA-C-D FP11 Floating Point Processor Maintenance Manual
DEC-11-FP11C-MM-001 FP11-C Floating Point Processor Maintenance Manual
EK-KT11C-MM-005 KT11-C, CD Memory Management Unit Maintenance Manual
EK-MS11A-MM-006 MS11-A,B,C memory System Maintenance Manual
PDP-11 Systems Course Training Drawings
PDP-11/45, 11/70 Maintenance Course handout book
And some diagnostic listings for the 11/40 and 11/45.
I have not looked through my fiche for ECO info, though I am not
hopeful, but will look tomorrow. Most of my fiche are too modern.
Let me know what you want me to scan - should be able to get to it later
this week.
JRJ
On 1/27/2019 6:40 PM, Fritz Mueller via cctalk wrote:
Those reading through the recent "PDP-11/45
RSTS/E boot problem" thread here will know that I've gotten to some corners of my
11/45 CPU now that don't match up with the commonly available engineering drawings.
My /45 is an early serial number (#152). So far I've verified hardware differences
on at least my M8100 and M8105 cards and spares, relating to parity error abort handling.
I would really like to track down any of the following resources:
- PDP 11/45 system engineering drawings *earlier* than those currently available on
bitsavers (Jun '74)
- Any PDP 11/45 backplane wire list (what looks to be a wire list in the currently
available engineering drawings is actually only a breakdown of the power harness.)
- PDP 11/45 ECO information, particularly the following:
M8100 00003
M8103 00005
M8105 00005
M8106 00007, 00008, 00012, 00012A
M8110 00008
KB11-A 00015
Bitsavers seems to have a DEC-O-LOG for M8105, but this does not contain specifics on
cuts and jumps for ECO 00005, referring only to the associated "kit".
DEC-O-LOGs for the other processor boards are missing.
If anybody thinks they might have any of this info squirreled away anywhere, I'd
really love to find out more about it!
Parts of the ECO's are pretty easy to figure, just by comparing the state of my
existing boards to the '74 drawings. But other parts not so much...
thanks much,
--FritzM.