21 Apr
2016
21 Apr
'16
7:04 p.m.
On Thursday, April 21, 2016, Tony Aiuto <tony.aiuto at gmail.com> wrote:
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On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 1:45 PM, John Willis
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Actually, I don't get this discussion at all. I had a panix account years
ago.About the same time I ran a FULL suite of servers in my basement, DNS,
STMP, HTTP & mailman. Then I realized that was just because I *could*,
rather than I needed to or because it served any interesting historical
purpose. I switched it all to outsourced services and never looked back.
Good for you? I enjoy doing those things, and don't see what would give you
a reason to belittle someone who enjoys doing something else.
> That's another thing I remember and miss from those days... your
average
> ISP would provide NNTP and UNIX shell
accounts, as well as a few megs
of
space to
put up a personal web site in ~/public_html.
I still read Usenet newsgroups via GNUS under Emacs on my shell account Panix, an ISP located in Manhattan, and have a
small web site hosted
there
as well:
http://www.panix.com/~alderson/index.html
Some things are too important to relegate to a web browser.
The bottom line is that what i really care about is the beauty of old
hardware and the elegance of software that had to run in that limited
environment. The speed/cost/accuracy tradeoff is the essence of software
engineering. If I read information about it with Lynx rather than a modern
browser, I only penalize myself. I reduce my bandwidth for some abstract
notion of "purity".
I don't think anyone suggested anything like this... I use a number of
highly modern machines every day.
Look at it this way. Archeologists care about history, but they are smart
enough to realize they don't have to write their papers in charcoal on cave
walls. Do not conflate the subject matter with the medium to talk about it.
So retro internet is less valid as a focus of hobbyist enthusiasm than
retro computers? I enjoy both, as well as modern computing.
I love ancient hardware, and I will use the best tools I have available to
talk about it. Limiting myself to shell accounts and
elm as a mail reader
misses the point. We *live* in 2016. We talk about 1970. Using technology
from 1990 is neither historically accurate, nor useful.
How is it historically inaccurate for me to use 1990s technology to relive
the times when I was first getting into computers to begin with? Again, I
enjoy it, so you have no right to be a jerk and judge me for it...
Rich
This gives me a thought: I run a similar (but likely much smaller) ISP in
my neighborhood.
ISPs like Panix and my own ChivaNet should come up with some common
branding
indicating that we support traditional Internet values and services. Some
way for enthusiasts
who really care about "the Internet as it was meant to be" to separate wheat from the
chaff, and be smarter about bandwidth shopping.