who built the first 8086/88 based puter?

At 03:27 PM 3/23/06 -0800, you wrote: Since he asked what was the first 8086/8088 computer I'd say that it does count. However I noticed that the discussion quickly shifted to HOME computers and ignored development systems and other COMMERCAIL systems. I don't know--I didn't invent this game. Who came out Probably the Zilog ZDS IMO. But most people have never heard of them so they'll vote for the IMSAI, Compupro or whatever they happened to have had. Speaking of Z-80s, I have a COOL Z-80 system. It's a Dolch something. It has plugins for burning EPROMs, Logic Analyzer, pattern generator and other functions. It runs MPM and has SEVEN Z-80s! It can run up to 16 processes simulatanously and pass data from one process to another. In one example that they give, you can have one operating the LA and another disassembling the data from it and another outputing the data to a printer and another operting the disk drives. It's a COOL system. I've figured out a lot of it but I'd love to find a manual for it. Joe

IIRC, there were isolated S-100 cards before >there were complete systems--do they count as computers? > >Or, to put an even finer edge on it, was the first V20 computer created by >the first guy to replace the 8088 in his PC with one? > >In retrospect, things happened pretty quickly back then. We'd like to >think that the IBM PC with 64K and one floppy was supplanted by the XT with >its hard disk, but in fact, for a time, both were being advertised and sold >by IBM (along with the PC Jr.). > >Cheers, >Chuck > > > >Contrary to popular opinion, Intel build complete Single Board >>computers and even COMPLETE computers* and not just ICs and experimenter >>boards. The Series III MDS from Intel was a Series II MDS model 2xx with >>the addition of a 8086 or 8088 processor card. I STRONGLY suspect that >>these were THE first 8086/8088 based computers. Not only because Intel had >>a head start on everyone else but also because these WERE Development >>systems and they were intended for use in designing/building/testing other >>computer designs. Somewhere in my literature I amy have a date for the >>8088/8088 cards for the MDS systems but I know the MDS 2xx itself >>definitely predates the 8088/8086 and all it would have taken Intel to do >>to be the first on the market would be to design one additional card. >> >> FWIW I also have another computer that probably comes CLOSE to being >the >>first 8086 computer on the market. It's Rubicon computer and it uses an >>8086 CPU with an 8089 IO Processor, a (mumble-mumble) ECC memory >controller >>from Intel and 256k of bank-switched memory. It runs CPM-86 amd it's >design >>appears to come straight out of the Intel data books. It's the only >>computer other than an Intel that I've ever seen that uses the 8089 IO >>processor and that ECC memory controller. >> >> *I personally have three Series III MDS machines and at least a dozen >>Intel 86/330 computers. the 86/330 is a complete computer and uses a 8086 >>CPU. >> >> Joe >> >> >>(although I do recall seeing pictures of >>>>multibus type boxes with an Intel monniker, so things >>>>like that could possibly qualify). I suppose even a >>>>sbc could qualify, or even some sort of add-on for an >>>>established system. But sdks from Intel (or others) >>>>dont. Seattle Gazelle? What about 80186 firsts? 80286? >>>>I know the popular conception is that Compaq built the >>>>first 386 desktop, but I seem to recall ALR being >>>>numero uno (pretty sure it was ALR). >>> >>>I think the distinction for 8086 may be Altos or one of the other S-100 >>>makers, although Intel may have had a card for the MDS even before that. >>>Bill Godbout had his 85-88 card considerably before the PC. >>> >>>As for the 80186/80286, we were debugging pre-release engineering samples >>>of both chips at Durango (I still remember the bug where DMA activity >>>would clobber the DI register). For sure, the 80186 Poppy rolled out >very >>>early. I don't think any 80286 versions were delivered until the Xenix >>>port got finished. But there was a socket on the board for one before >>>that--just nothing to run on it. >>> >>>By the time of the 386, Mobo profiles had pretty much standardized for >>PCs, >>>so I suspect someone like Mylex may have had the first motherboard, but I >>>don't know if that counts as a "computer". The PS/2 386 boxes were also >>>out fairly early--didn't the Model 50 have a bug that required >replacement >>>of the mobo? >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Chuck >>> >>> > > >