18 Jan
2012
18 Jan
'12
7:56 a.m.
On 11 January 2012 00:55, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
Doesn't matter. Nobody can advise on technology and IT unless they
have at least some knowledge of the whole arena and can comment on it
impartially.
On 01/10/2012 06:19 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
I most certainly do not. I am generally regarded by my friends and
colleagues in the professional Microsoft community as a member of the
Linux Taleben, an extreme zealot and evangelist against anything and
everything MS and a flagrant booster and promoter of FOSS.
Summary: you don't know anything about me and you are jumping to
incorrect conclusions based on scanty & very partial data.
On Jan 10, 2012 6:55 AM, "Mouse"<mouse at rodents-montreal.org> ?wrote:
What he said!
I dislike Windows myself these days& ?try to avoid it. I can use it,
support it& ?work with it if I have to, but I won't if I don't have too
our
are not being paid to.
Even so, for all its faults, modern versions are highly reliable. Anyone
flaming about how unreliable it is immediately *shows themselves to be an
irrational non,MS fanboy* because such opinions are not based upon current
facts; they are bigotry, based only on prejudice& ?badly out-of-date
hearsay.
?Yes but you poo-poo any statement that is anti-Windows or anti-Microsoft,
regardless of the facts. > Then perhaps Dave you should keep out of the
conversation - your
> above comment shows you are still stuck in the 90's and have no
> comprehension of current technology whatsoever. ?As a manager of
> various Solaris, Linux and Windows servers for one of Australia's
> largest banks, I find very, very little difference in the
> reliability, performance and uptime of any of them.
I'm "stuck in the 90s" because I'm not a Windows fanboy??
If you are unable to distinguish between not reflexively bashing
Windows based on out-of-date perceptions of it and being a Windows
fanboy...well, then, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but in
that case you deserve at least some of the epithets thrown your way.
Not that I like Windows. ?I don't. ?It's a horrible, horrible OS in
multiple respects for almost every purpose I care about. If I am paying
someone for technical advice and skills, I expect a current
skill set of all major platforms. For some things, the right tool may be
one that somebody does not personally like. They should be able to suggest
this without their emotion and preferences getting in the way.
If they can't, then they are unfit for the job.
That means current knowledge and no bigotry and hatred.
?You're wrong on two counts. ?My experience is varied, but the areas in
which I'm paid for my advice and skills are high-performance scientific
computing, supercomputers, large-scale and high-reliability servers, and
(the opposite end of the spectrum) embedded systems development. ?I am Just
Not Into suitly desktop computing with spreadsheets and word processors. ?I
use both on occasion, yes, but that's not my area of work. ?I don't work in
the not-very-demanding, not-very-technical world of office desktop computing
or home desktop computing. ?The other is the more important (to me) point that
has me particularly hot
under the collar. ?You, like most Microsoft people (regardless of how loudly
you state that you don't like or use Windows, you still tout it at every
turn) automatically label ANY anti-Windows statement as somehow not being
based on facts or experience, and automatically entirely emotionally-based.
?That is insane, insulting, and more importantly, just plain wrong.
Citation needed.
?I use the best tool for the job, regardless of the
job. ?The day that
Windows becomes a good tool for a job that I need to have done, I will use
Windows. ?That day hasn't come yet. ?If you feel otherwise, I'm sorry, I
disagree. ?Either way, though, I will not permit you to simply dismiss every
word out my keyboard as automatically subject to some sort of emotional bias
just because you don't like it and don't want it to be true.
I distrust your opinions because of the way that you lash out at
anybody and everybody with personal insults, swearwords and unpleasant
ad hominem attacks. This makes you appear to be a ranting fanboy.
I am not saying that I am innocent of this myself. But you need to be
aware of what you are doing. Everything you say on ClassicCmp is a
public record of your mode of interaction with strangers. Think about
that.
?Personally I don't give a rat's ass what you
think,
Personal attack, invective and swearing.
as you've proven time
and time again that you really don't know what you're talking about when it
comes to certain major categories of stuff.
Personal attack.
?I offer your repeated
assertions that "95% of all computers run Windows" and "computer
programmers
number one in a million" up as examples.
I can and am happy to back these up with figures.
?This is why I don't even listen to
your arguments that actually seem plausible anymore, because I have no idea
if you've actually looked at the facts. ?Further, you're a guy who loudly
proclaims that you're not a programmer, yet you'll try to ram your opinions
regarding programming languages down anyone's throat who happens to pass by!
?What kind of crap is that?
Fair call! I do mainly come seeking information and knowledge, though.
?So drop it, forget it, stop with your Microsoft
touting, and get the hell
out of my face. ?For once again, you've ruined my day, because I made the
mistake of trying really hard yet again to develop some professional respect
for you. ?I didn't even start this particular fight, Richard did, and you
decided to just join in! ?Go find a hobby. Some of us have work to do, and
some of us are actually interested in classic computing.
That would sound more believable if it was not wrapped in personal
insults and laced with swearwords.
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