Atari/Commodore hybrid, was Re: General religious wars (was Re: Editor religious wars)

These are good points. I think that a lot of Commodore's successes were despite Tramiels' involvement, rather than because of it. The accounts of the design of the SID and VIC-II in particular seem to point to this, and as you say, he ultimately drove that talent away from the company. ________________________________ From: Dan Roganti <ragooman at comcast.net> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 11:59:52 AM Subject: Re: Atari/Commodore hybrid, was Re: General religious wars (was Re: Editor religious wars) ----- Martin Goldberg ?wrote: I'm not referring to any timeline. I was only saying how Tramiel has a reputation ignoring engineering advice. He has a lot of cost cutting tactics as a businessman - some good, but also some bad = such as slashing valuable personal in the engineering staff. ?Although I feel Atari lost out, I would shudder to think what Tramiel might have done afterwards to Jay Miner's design just to make it cheaper, that's his MO ?( I know this is hindsight). He may be famous for the early Commodore success, but Commodore was still successful without him--thanks to engineers. If he was so remarkable, how is it that the Atari ST was just a mediocre design ( I know this just another religious war - but open your eyes for a minute). Thankfully, we were privileged to see Jay Miner's achievement as Commodore succeeded without a hatchet job on his design. =Dan http://www.vintagecomputer.net/ragooman/