6 May
2002
6 May
'02
1:01 p.m.
see below, plz
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raymond Moyers" <rmoyers(a)nop.org>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: APPLEVISION Monitor,, No shell = No power
If it doesn't meet people's needs better, then it isn't better. If it
did, it
would outsell the "others."
On Monday 06 May 2002 18:33, you wrote:
I'm not unclear on the concept at all. All my machines are visible from any
of them (except the DOS machine, which only interacts with Netware) and that's
how I like it.
While I agree there is plenty of room for
preferences, I don't see why one
would want everything isolated from everything else on the LAN, when the
existence of the LAN is warranted by the need for shared access.
you are a bit unclear on the concept it seems
What isolation are you talking about, when the examaple shows
that the power of several machines seemless on one screen
operating as a whole ?
The goofball I was talking about likes to type tomes of cryptic commands
before being able to access resources physically connected to his half-dozen
machines, all running Linux. Of course, he doesn't have a clue where things
are, so he first has to enable one machine at a time to be accessible, don't
ask me why, and it takes him 10 minutes to find a file on a system with just a
few gigabytes. Then he has to set privileges, or some other nonsense, and, if
he's lucky, he eventually finds the file he wants and can gain access to it.
I see this sort of thing among several Linux users, and some Unix users as
well. I think they're just trying to convince themselves they can do what the
boss won't let them do at work.
http://www.mosix.org
MOSIX is a software that allows any size Linux cluster of
Pentium/AMD workstations and servers to work cooperatively
like a single system.
I am not running mosix, I dispatch my taskloads off buttons like
was shown, run app xxx on host xxx.
But the mosix example is a close familiar to my operating habits.
and its strongly implied with my examples.
So why do you suppose this doesn't sell 100k copies per hour?
ON top of that, typing half a screenful of text
just to make some file
on some other machine accessible seems a mite burdensome.
Clicking on a button runs that text, i stated that clearly.
winblows limited thinking again ?
> Even under DOS it only takes a single half-line of text.
>
> Some people just like *NIX because it enables them to stroke their own
need
for
pseudo-sophistry.
Here you dismiss superiority by waving "pseudo-sophistry" at it
this from you is really pathetic, but i think you are just a bit quick
off the gun, something im just as guilty of from time to time.
feeling guilty? I wasn't referring to you, since I don't know you.
Perhaps you could look again and point out where your confusion
is.
Actually, I think I'm on solid ground here. I don't think I'm confused
about
From: "Raymond Moyers"
<rmoyers(a)nop.org>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: APPLEVISION Monitor,, No shell = No power
> On Monday 06 May 2002 16:36, you wrote:
> > Maybe they're willing to type a couple lines for the sake of
> > the added reliability, maybe it's easier for them to type
> > it out than to grab the mouse...
>
> Or perhaps if your already in the all powerfull environment
> you would only leave when the task isn't suited or
> the expense in time/effort/bother of moving to the other
> interface is less than staying put.
>
> some command strings become buttons.
>
> This button starts CDE desktop on my Sun, and places it windowed
> onto my Windomaker/Linux desktop as if it was an application
>
> ("SunDT :2 root@Sparc", SHEXEC, "(Xnest :2 -display fubar:0
> -nolock -bs -su &) && ssh1 -a -x -k -n -P -q -l root Sparc
> '(/root/xnest-desktop 1>/dev/null 2>/dev/null)'")),
>
> One click, and its on my screen.
>
> Or ..
> ("Netscape afu@Rx", EXEC, "ssh -a -x -k -n -P -q -l afu
> Rx netscape -display fubar:0
> file:///home/afu/.netscape/bookmarks.html"),
>
> Runs netscape on host rx puts it on screen fubar
>
> ( host rx has no screen or keyboard attached for 5 years)
>
> These examples show a multitude of things, but notice
> how command line strings become pretty clickety
> buttons on a popup menu.
>
> Raymond