Patrick Finnegan wrote:
On Saturday 13 June 2009, SPC wrote:
Mmm... this needs of one BA23, isn't so ?
Regards
Sergio
No. There's a DEC QBUS board that splits it out, or you can make your
own cable to do it. Google is your friend for that.
Jerome Fine replies:
Since I am not familiar with the above solution and I don't have the
hardware knowledge to evaluate if it can be done, I will not comment.
However, my personal experience with TWO RX33 floppy drives
connected to an RQDX3 is as follows:
(a) First, it is necessary to use an RQDX3 with the firmware revision
which supports the RX33 floppy drive. I am not sure what the
required firmware revision level is supposed to be, but I am fairly
sure that the very first RQDX3 controllers did not support the RX33.
Most likely, however, support for the RX33 was made a feature of
the firmware since I did not have a problem with the RQDX3 that
I used to support my dual RX33 drives.
(b) Second, I suggest that a test of the RQDX3 controller that will be
used be performed by using an RX50 dual floppy drive unit. If
the RX50 dual floppy drive unit works, then it is very likely that
the RX33 will work.
(c) You will require a different end connector for the cable at the RX33
since the the RX50 uses a single header and the RX33 requires two
34-pin edge connectors daisy chained from one RX33 to the next
WITHOUT any modification of the cable between one RX33 drive
and the next RX33 drive (as is normally done with a PC when two
floppy drives are used).
(d) The e-mail from Zane Healy on February 5th, 2008 is copied below
to provide the jumper settings needed, in particular the DS0 and DS1
to allow the RQDX3 to select the specified floppy drive unit.
(e) Just a helpful suggestion to provide an enclosure for the dual RX33
drives: I found a non-working RX50 dual floppy drive and used the
empty case to hold both RX33 drives. The access slots in the case
allowed both the power cable the 34-pin cable. The power cable was
connected to a Y-power cable splitter inside the enclosure. The two
34-pin edge connectors were daisy chained to the RX33 drives before
bolting the RX33 drives to the enclosure from the RX50 dual drives.
The sled underneath the enclosure was retained as well and fits very
nicely into the BA23 box.
The results looks very much like the dual RX50 floppy drives at first glance
until the handles of the RX33 drives are recognized. In addition, my
personal
preference was to situate both RX33 drives in the upright position as
opposed
to the RX50 having one drive upside-down.
If you have any other questions, please ask.
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
>2009/6/13 Patrick Finnegan <pat at
computer-refuge.org>
>
>>On Saturday 13 June 2009, SPC wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I am searching one controller to use a couple of RX33 in one
>>>PDP11-23/PLUS. Someone knows what could I use ?
>>>
>>>
>>RQDX3
>>
>>Pat
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Note 93.3 Low-end disk devices - The Digital difference 3 of 136
EISNER::KENNEDY "Terry Kennedy" 72 lines
16-JAN-1988 02:05
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The DEC RX33 is an IBM AT-type drive with some jumper changes.
DEC's drive is some variant of the TEAC FD55G. I have exper-
imented and discovered that the following drives/jumperings
work with the RQDX3:
TEAC FD-55GFV-17-U
Jumpers in:
HG
I (Roman numeral 1)
U1
U2
DC
FG
DS0 (for first RX33)
DS1 (for second RX33)
Jumpers out:
(all others)
Install the terminator, RA1, on the last (or only) drive
TEAC FD-55GFR-540-U
Jumpers in:
I (Roman numeral 1)
U0
U1
DC2
FG
D0 (for first RX33)
D1 (for second RX33)
Jumpers out:
(all others)
Install the terminator, RA1, on the last (or only) drive
Toshiba FDD 6882E1J01 (or ND-08DE-G)
Jumpers in:
LD
DC
DE
D1 (for first RX33)
D2 (for second RX33)
Jumpers out:
(all others)
Install the terminator jumper, TM, on the last (or only) drive
I have purchased many of the TEAC 540 drives from JDR Micro-
devices in California, (800) 538-5000. They have the follow-
ing items of interest:
[NOTE: This is *old* info (1988) and probably isn't valid any more]
FD-55G High density drive - $129.95
FD-5Y 'Y' cable to power 2 drives from the BAnn box - $2.95
FD55-MHW Mounting hardware for two FD-55G drives - $2.95
FD55-FP Beige faceplate for FD-55G drive (black is std.) - $2.95
FD55-SPEC Specification for FD-55G drive - $5.00
FD55-MAINT Maintenance manual for FD-55G drives - $25.00
Therfore, you can get two RX33's for $265.80 with the Y cable and
mounting hardware - a far cry from DEC's $795.00 each...
You need an RQDX3 to run these drives, of course. You will also
need to save the skid plate from your RX50 drive.
If you order these drives elsewhere, please remember that the
mounting hole threads are *metric*. Finding the right screws
will be a lot harder than finding the drives!
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EISNER::KENNEDY "Terry Kennedy" 15 lines
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A number of people have asked me for other RX33 substitutes, since the
Teac models I gave earlier in this thread are no longer available. I did
some experimenting and I have a new one for you:
The Teac FD-55GFR-149-U can be used as an RX33 by installing jumpers
on FG, DC, I, and D0 (for 1st drive) or D1 (for 2nd drive). The "I" jum-
per is hard to find - here's a picture:
LG o o
IS o o o<---- This is the "I" jumper
o<-/
DC o o o o
o o o
I've tested this with RX50 and RX33 media under XXDP+ and RSTS/E.
Terry Kennedy Operations Manager, Academic Computing
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