7 Oct
2020
7 Oct
'20
10:40 a.m.
On 10/7/2020 10:32 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 12:07 PM Glen Slick via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
The protocol HASP used was unique because they had a novel BSC protocol
handshake to reduce delays on the link due to handshake latency.
The normal protocol had an ack requirement that involved dead time on
the link till the ACK had returned.? The HASP workstation protocol sent
an ack on the front end? of another record if the prior record came and
streamed data with NAKs as needed stopping and causing handshake
delays.? A good link was much better used than a usual BSC link.
Also if you were printing an reading job submission data it got an
almost full duplex use of the link speed going as the acks for prior
records were prefaced on the front of the next data, rather than a
standalone turn of the link just for ack.
Hasp had a term for their data protocol that's not come back to me.
The link between Hercules and whatever simulator's BSC would need to be
able to handle that bit of trickery.
Thanks
Jim
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 8:37 AM Ethan Dicks
wrote:
I have very dim memories of that arrangement - it was definitely
ordinary that you had a dedicated I/O processor to run multiple lines.
Part of the salable benefit of the COMBOARD was having an 8MHz 68000
manage the actual protocol - it moved block file data to/from the DEC
host via DMA. The M68K wrapped it up as needed, handled
re-transmission, etc.
Using a KMC11 is similar, IIRC, certainly at the bottom levels.
-ethan
-ethan
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 5:07 AM Peter Allan
wrote:
I was curious about this DEC M8704 DMS11-DA that sold cheap a
few days
ago. It has eight SMC COM5025 "Multi-Protocol Universal Synchronous
Receiver/Transmitter USYNR/T" chips:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/373243388363
Apparently it can't do anything on its own. It needs to be connected
to a UNIBUS through a companion KMC11 processor board, which might not
be too common if someone wanted to put together a working
configuration. RJE/HASP
2780/3780 Protocol Emulator
I used to do this with specialty hardware...
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/softwareResults/Software_Results_Comboard_Broc…
There were also intelligent sync serial engines for this from other
vendors, including DEC (KMC11, and probably a later one but the device
name escapes me).