7 May
2010
7 May
'10
7:20 a.m.
Dan Gahlinger wrote:
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Actually, Fortran came from Valtrep
I used to code on some old Sentry-70 systems in Valtrep back in the 80s
yes, this was after fortran was already quite established.
it's very like fortran - if you can write fortran, you can do valtrep.
Interestingly perhaps, googling for valtrep is quite useless it seems...
Dan.
If you put quotes around "valtrep" instead of just valtrep then you do
get about 146 legitimate hits, instead of Voltrex which Google tries to
push.
Interesting that Google, which used to be a great search engine is now
deteriorating somewhat due to its' advertising policies. I'm finding
that the substitutes Google puts in get in the way of finding items with
odd spellings, making research more onerous.
One interesting site I found, which is good for math functions is:
http://www.wolframalpha.com
John :-#)#
Date: Fri, 7
May 2010 14:44:20 +1000
Subject: Lisa C and Lisa FORTRAN
From: nigel.d.williams at gmail.com
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
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On 5/6/10 6:21 PM, Nigel Williams wrote:
Hopefully, someone will find this thread and remember they kept a copy
I wonder if Apple would be now willing to release
a copy of Lisa C
compiler
(beta) - the beta release (only) included the headers/support to allow C
applications to be compiled targeting Lisa (instead of just Macintosh);
and
Lisa FORTRAN is still to be found too.
I doubt anyone inside the company would know if copies still exist.
Bruce
Daniels might know, but I think it would be pretty tough to find.
I'm guessing
Lisa FORTRAN would have come from SVS (Silicon Valley Software) who put one
out for the 68K around the same time as their non-interpreted Pascal which
Apple
used on Mac and Lisa and also as the starting point for the MPW C compiler.
Agree that FORTRAN probably came from SVS.
David Craig had this to say about Lisa C:
... this C compiler was written by Green Hills. From what I recall about
this from talking to a member of Apple's Lisa development team, this
compiler was created under contract and Apple itself did not have any people
who maintained this compiler. As such, this compiler had a very short life.
I also believe that Apple's later Macintosh MPW C compiler was written in
MPW Pascal and maintained by Apple. A later C compiler was written in C.
Note also that Lisa C could only generate Macintosh object files, not Lisa
object files (the Lisa's obj files were much more complex that the Mac's due
to the Lisa's need to support a virtual memory segmented architecture).
From the Lisa C manual:
"If you know of someone with a Beta version, then you can use it to generate
Lisa code. The Lisa support was stripped out of the final version".