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At 08:14 PM 10/13/05 -0700, you wrote: Choke! Gasp! Gasp! I'd be very careful of ANY auction item that cost $50,000! Just FWIW I've wondered what kind of idiot (IMHO) would buy a car sight unseen from E-bay and pay for it within 48 hours! (OF course, BEFORE you can arrange to get there and see it in person!) But that seems to be the normal requirement in the auto listings on E-bay. As a buyer I'd NEVER buy a car without the right to examine it in person BEFORE I handed over the money. Just to back that up, let me tell you about my EX-neighbor. He's a bit of a shyster and also has some scheme going. Ok maybe more than a bit of a shyster. In one of his schemes he found out how much people were willing to pay for NICE old four wheel drive vehicles. (Like $14k) He bought a bunch of rusted out worthless 4 wheel drive Land Cruisers and then brought his father up here from Columbia and had him patch the things up with LOTS of Bondo and repaint them. (He was buying Bondo by FOUR five gallon buckets at one time!) They looked great from the photos but they were so rusted I doubt they were even safe to drive (huge holes in the frames, etc). Anyway he sold four of them on E-bay to out of state buyers. The buyers had a transport company pick them up and deliver them (IIRC one to Texas, one to Maryland and I don't know about the others). AFTER the buyers got them and found what a piece of junk they were they are all screaming and making all kinds of threats but there was nothing they could do. As Chuck said, treat E-bay as the jungle it is and you'll be ok. Usually! Joe