P112 kits for sale

Actaully, I was hoping for soem semi=mindless fun stuffing PCBs. Of course the other ereason is that if I solder it myself I can use lead/tin solder, and avoid problems with joints that fall apart after a year, or grow tin whiskers. I am getting ratehr fed up wit hthe number of 'kits' that are sold that are not really kits at all. IMHO an electronic kit should come as a PCB and a bag of components. Nothing should be pre-soldered. If you need special soldering equipment (such as an oven for BGA devices), then this should be mentioned in the kit description, but it should still be up to the constructor to do it. Or at least offer 2 types of kit -- totally unsoldered / with the BGAs pre-mountes (There's something of a precedent for this in model enginenrign. Some of the steam locomotivew kit manufactueres offer either sets of raw castings for you to machine on your own lathe, or kits of finished parts which just need assembly with hand tools) I thought it was most 'unfair' when Heathkit started selling 'kits' with pre-assembled PCBs. I think if I'd bought one of those I'd have returned it as 'does not meet the description' Heck, I feel that floppy drives should have come in kit form -- you get to stuff the PCbs, assemble the mechancials nad do the alignemt. I guess hard drives would have to come as a pre-build HDA, but you still should have got to stuff the PCBs. -tony