From the pictures on eBay, the disc drives look
like they are the P824
type mentioned in the P856 manuals on Theo Engels' site
Unfortuantely I know very little about these drives. I certianly don't
have the technical manual or anything...
(
http://www.theoengel.nl/P800/P856-P857_System_Handbook_p4.pdf). This
manual mentions that the cartridges are IBM 5440 compatible. The drive
pictured in the book looks very similar to an IBM 5444 (with the big
clamps on each side). Any moving procedures for these drives that
anyone's interested in? Disk alignment issues I should be aware of?
I think you need to ispect them and find if the cariage needs locking and
if so, how to do it. Oh, and if possible, remvoe the disk pack from the
drive before moving it too.
As for alignemtn, don't dismantle the heads or positioner unless you have
the alignment pack, and don't fiddle with any presets or repalce
components in the servo circuit unless you have to. Otherwise no real
problems/
As for powering them up, again, nothing special.
The noraml visual
inspection, then test the PSUs on dummy load is all you need to do.
That's the usual routine. I'm figuring these have heavy linear power
supplies, right?
Not always...
The P850 PSU is a big linear thing (I seem to recall paralleled 2N3055s
as pass transistors).
I can't comment on the P856 one, I've never seen that series of machines
The P851 has a mains trasformer follwoed by regualtor PCBs. Most are
linear, I think the 5V oen might be a switching regulator, I would have
to check
The P854 supply is a full swithcer (or maybe 2 of them). I have the
manaul for that, complete with all the waveforms for the chopper circuit.
And the wonderful instructions to run the supply off an isolating
transformer, but if that's not possible to disconenct the maisn werth
wire in the 'scope mains plug and take great care. Err, yes. Having a
'scope floating at mains voltage is not the sort of thing I want to do...
There may also be battery backup for the memory suppkies in later
machines. I know the P851 (whcih I don;t think you're getting) had an
optiuonal PCB carrying 12 NiCd cells and not much else. THe P854 has an
option (?) to fit a NiCd pack inside one of the PSUs. You wil lwant ot
ispect this for leaking cells, etc.
Let me know what you have and we can probably work soemthing out. It
appers you're getting a good set of manuals, I would be patient and read
through (at least) the heardware manauls before taking too much apart and
certainly before pwoering anything up. Yes, I know the exciteemtn of
getting a new toy, I also know the pain of damaing it because you didn't
Read The Fine Manual (and to be fair, the Philips manuals are pretty good).
These machines vary a bit in the CPU design. The
P850 is hard-wired
logic. The P855, 852, 856, etc are microcoded TTL (I think). The P851 is
custom Philips bitslice ICs. The P854 is AMD2900 bitslice. The P853 (I
think) is a custom single-chip LSI implementation of the processor.
I think Jos correctly identified the blinkenlights one as a P856 or
P857. The other two look like they might be P854's. Will post actual
model numbers and card id's once I've picked them up.
They look like P854s to me. Those have a keypad frontpanel (controlled by
an 8048 iIRC) with vacuum fluorescent displays.Quite fun.
My P854 manuals i the preliminary one. In particualr I don't have the
microcode sources and I don't have much information on the panel
hardware. I hope you get this information, I look forward to reading it.
I also need to find a way to haul these upstairs... I don't think my
wife will be all that thrilled to have them sit in the living room for
a prolongued period.
The P854 CPU is quite light (I can easily carry it). The 856 looks a lot
heavier (for example, I can lift a P850, but wouldn't want to carry it
very far), the driveare probably heavy too.
Don;'t forget these thins come apart, though. Pullign all the PCBs makes
a suprising difference to the weight, just make sure you know which slots
they go back in. Similarly removing the PSUs can help (and you might want
to do that anyway to be able to inspect them.
-tony