Nice work !
I've some 125/120 Software and some doc's (some Dutch (translated from
english))
Most of the software is on the hpmuseum website to, but I also have the
technical system manual for HP150 (got it this week ;-) with all the
diagrams of the HP150 and the HP150-II .
What I don't have is a sheetfeeder for my scanner so scanning the whole
manual is a bit to much but scanning the diagrams or other special info
isn't a problem.
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Van: cctalk-bounces at
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[mailto:cctalk-bounces at
classiccmp.org] Namens Tony Duell
Verzonden: zaterdag 11 april 2009 20:17
Aan: cctalk at
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Onderwerp: HP262x keyboard to HP120 interface
For those who are still interested in this (Rik?), I've now
built the interface from an HP262x keybaord (actually one
'borrowed' from my HP2623
terminal) to my HP120.
The differenve between the 2 keyboard interfaces is quite
simple. The HP120 puts the scan counter in the keyboard, the
interface being the clock and reset lines for this counter,
along with an active-high 'current key pressed' siganl. The
HP262x puts the scan counter in the terminal, the inteface is
the 7 key select lines (basically the outputs of the counter)
and an active-low 'key pressed' signal (open-collector).
Although the Hp262x runs the keybaord at 5V, it's all 4000
series logic interally, and can be run at the 12V of the
HP120 interface.
So the interface between this keyoard and the HP120 is little
more than a
7 it counter.
Just like you sayd, the same hardware just placed different.
I've now built it, it's a little box with a DA15 socket on
one end to take the plug from the unmodified HP2623 keyboard
(I obviously wanted to leave the keyoard unchanged so I can
still use it with the 2623 terminal) and a short cable coming
out of the other end ending in an RJ11 plug to go into the HP120.
Inside are 3 chips, all common 4000 series CMOS parts. :
A 4024 (7 bit counter). This is linked to the clock and reset
lines from the HP120 via the resisotr/diode protection
networks as used in an HP150 keyboard.
The bottom 6 outputs of this counter are buffred by a 4050
chip and then fed via a 16 pin header plug nad socket to the
DA15 socket for the keyboard. This chip may not be necessary,
but some counters don't like driving long cables (glitches on
the outputs can change the state of the flip-flops). I dout
the 4024 sufferes from this, but adding one chip to be sure
seems worth it.
Yes a cents(pence, cents are dutch befrom before the euro) to
prevent a lot
of trouble.
The last output from that counter is buffered bu 2 sections
of a 4049 in cascade. The reason I used that chip is that I
needed a NOT gate to invert the open-collector key-pressed/
signal from the HP2623 keyboard.
This I did,, after pulling said signal high with a 3k3
resistor. The output of that NOT gate is again given a
diode/resistor protection circuit and fed to the HP120
And it works. It worked first time actually (well, I did test
as I went along, but after fitting the last connection ,
plugging everything in and powering up, it worked). I can
type on the keyboard, the correct [1] characters come up. I
can use the function keys, configuration screen, etc.
Great most of the time I have to debug something like this, because I always
do several things together...
[1] Modulo the fact that I have Danish/Norwegian ROMs
in my HP120 (!)
I've a HP9836 and HP9826 with Swedish keyboards not very different from
standaard US-int keyboards.
I am now looking at modifying an HP150 keyboard to work with
the HP120.
More news if I get that working!
-tony
Have fun,
Rik