On Sun, 2005-07-17 at 22:05 +0100, Tony Duell wrote:
I've changed the Subject: line because this has little to do with the
original subject, which in any case is best forgotten.
I tend to
confuse Bletchley Park with the CCS, so I might be moaning
about the wrong lot. But (IIRC) the CCS's method of using its members'
knowedge leaves a lot to be desired.
Can't really comment there I'm afraid, I've not had any dealings with
the CCS direct - just with lots of their members on a case-by-case
I am not sure who does what. I've mostly had dealings with the computer
collection at Bletchley Park, whether my problems were due to the actions
of the muesum or of the CCS I don't know. Suffice it to say I didn't find
the experience pleasant.
basis. I do get the impression that they're
somewhat shrouded in
bureaucracy though, which generally isn't to my liking in any situation!
That;s my view too.
They suffer -- bigtime -- from the problem I've already mentioned. They
do not seem to realise that there are self-taught hobbyists out there
some of whom actually know what they are doing. Informing them of this
fact is a waste of time.
My experience in a number of cases is that somebody gets to work on a
particular machine becuase he worked for the company (what he actually
did at said company doesn't seem to matter). For some reason somebody has
then mentioned me, and I am asked to advise _far too late_, after damage
has been done. Oh well....
Incidentally, there are some good ways of ensuring you do not get help
from me.
One obvious one ios to ask for a replacement board, or other assembly.
Unless the part is actually misisng (and was misisng when you got the
machine!), or you need it for an upgrade, you are not going to get it
from me, no matter how many spares I happen to have. I
do not, and never
will, encourage board-swappers.
A couple of years ago I was asked (not by the CCS or anyone related to
them) if I had a spare disk drive unit for an HP9114A. Now, as it happens
I do have a few 'in stock', but as I said, I never supply complete
assemblies like that. I assumed he needed a head assembly (the well-known
dried up greas problem. which causes the upper head to get caught in the
disk when you eject the latter, and thus the former gets ripped of the
gimbal spring). I offered to fit and align that, but upon inspection the
heads were fine. In faxt the problem was 2 or 3 dead transsitors on the
logic board which didn't take too long to find. And suitable replacements
wrre easily available.
By refusing to supply a complete spare drive, I (a) kept the unit more
original (fewer parts were replaced) and (b) have kept the spare drive
for the time it's really neaded (e.g. to donate a head or stepper to
another unit, those parts not being easy to get new).
And that basically sums up mu reasons for not supplying modules. I prefer
to replace as little as possilbe, in order to keep the machine as
original as possible. And I prefer to use as little of my stock as
possible, as the other parts can go to repair other machines. If a PCB
contains half-a-dozen custom chips, then a spare board can be used for
just one repair if you wap the whole board, but possibly up to 6 repairs
if you change just the defective chip, and if all chips have equal chance
of failing.
The second wat to not get help from me is to ignore my advice,
particularly concerning what to do the first time you power up an uknown
machine. If you don't like my methods of testign the PSU on dummy load,
fine. Yoy don't have to follow them. But if you just apply power and see
what happens, don't expect me to help with parts and advice if something
goes wrong.
[On that matter, I was appalled by comments at Bletchley on some of the
exhibits that they were brought to the museum, plugged together, and
worked first time. Any group claiming to be preserving computer history
should, IMHO, take rather more care than that!]
urgh, yeah. No idea what I'd do there either.
Probably stick a big black
line through the form and include a covering letter that explained why
In which case I suspect you'd probably be listed as having experience of
no machines.
I'd done so! If they weren't flexible enough
to handle that then there's
something seriously wrong IMHO. It's not like there's any shortage of
preservation work to be done outside of the CCS.
That was exactly my view in the end. I was battling against people to get
thtings done, I was donating my time and expertise free-of-charge, and
getting no recognition for it, and I wasn't enjoying it. And I had enough
machines of my own to repair, docuemnt, etc. The outcome was, alas, obvious.
Suppose you
have a non-working HP9810 calculator (well, it's almost a
computer :-)). You have a choice of 2 repairers.
A) Worked ofr HP as a service engineer for many years. He's got the
official service manual (which is a boardswapper guide), and can follow
the instructions which are basically to replace all the plug-in PCBs until
it starts working again. The fact that you can't get replacement boards
any more is another matter...
B) Has never worked for HP or any other computer company. But he was
given a broken 9810 a few years back and spent a couple of months working
out how to repair it. This guy can connect a logic analyser to an
undocumented internal connector and trace the CPU microcode. He's got his
own microcode listings and can thus tell just what the darn thing is
doing.
Definitely a B. I suppose ideally I'd like person A watching person B
doing the work though, as otherwise they'll never learn anything!
For the record, I am more than happy to share my repair tricks, as I have
done to several people round the world on just this machine....
There's
also the problem that somebody having no experience of <foo>, but
who is generally clueful about similar stuff might well be more use than
somebody who's had a few months user-level experience of <foo>, but who
has never gone further on any machine.
The former for sure. The most common faults causing system failure tend
to be common to many systems - never underestimate general experience!
Indeed. There aren't that many ways to do a particular thing (although
HP, in particular, seem to have used all of them at least once :-)). More
than that, though, somebody who has general experience is likely to be
able to understand a mew circuit/program/whatever after a little time,
and is not likely to do the totally wrong thing before he's worked out
what the right thing to do is.
-tony