I don't know if these will work for you, but...
On the back of my Apple LaserWriter II, introduced in 1988.
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Ian Primus
ian_primus(a)yahoo.com
On Saturday, June 28, 2003, at 11:22 PM, John Foust wrote:
I don't quite understand what copyright (as
opposed to patent law)
has to do with his case, but I thought I'd forward this inquiry...
- John
> From: "Advanced Approach" <info(a)advanced-app.com.hk>
> To: <jfoust(a)threedee.com>
> Subject: old hardware help requested
> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:51:42 +0800
>
> Dear Mr. Foust:
>
> I am an American living (temporarily) in Hong Kong, I am in a jam
> here, and
> you might be able to help. I would appreciate a couple of minutes of
> your
> time ? just enough time to read this. You may be able to tell me
> what I
> need to know immediately.
>
> I am a defendant in a lawsuit here. In the lawsuit against us, the
> Plaintiffs claim that in the early 1990?s they were the first in the
> world
> to recess a rocker switch. (Actually, they do not use those exact
> words;
> rather, they claim they own the copyright on a recessed rocker
> switch. For
> them to own the copyright, they would have to be the first people in
> the
> world to put out a product with a recessed switch.)
>
> Of course, their claim is ridiculous, but in court, we have to PROVE
> it is
> ridiculous -- otherwise, the court will probably accept their claim.
> To
> disprove their claim, we simply need to find a product with a recessed
> rocker switch that was on the market before 1990. (And of course, we
> need
> to prove that it was on the market before 1990.)
>
> Friends have told me that recessed rocker switches were common on
> early
> computers, printers, and mainframe terminals.
>
> Copyright here is all about outlook. Here are two examples of
> recessed
> rockers switches with the outlook that we need:
>
> The first example:
>
http://www.auctionshoppingbot.com/misc/Recessed_Rocker_Switch.html
>
> The above is from a Canon copy machine.
>
> This example shows well all five key elements that we need:
> 1) The rocker switch is mounted on a flat surface,
> 2) The rocker switch is recessed beneath the surface,
> 3) There is flat surface all around the recess,
> 4) There is nothing else in the recess with the switch, and
> 5) The area of the recess is bigger than the area of the switch but
> not
> excessively so.
>
> This would be prefect, except the copy machine is only a couple of
> years
> old ? too new to prove that recessed rocker switches were on the
> market
> before 1990. (I have contacted Canon, but as a company, it seems
> they are
> only interested in selling new machines.)
>
> The molded on/off symbols and the indicator light are not important.
> We are
> looking for an example product with or without the molded on/off
> symbols and
> the indicator light ? either is fine. For the switch rocker itself,
> color
> does not matter ? even clear plastic with illumination inside is OK.
>
> The second example:
>
http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=115
>
http://www.old-computers.com/museum/photos.asp?t=1&c=115&st=1
>
> DEC 300 series computer from 1979. (On the second link, click on the
> "close
> up".) This is good, and we might use this. It would be perfect,
> except the
> Digital logo is right next to the switch (so this example does not
> meet key
> element #3). So for our purpose, this is only half good.
>
> If you know of any product from 1990 or before that had a recessed
> rocker
> switch that meets all five key elements, please let me know. As you
> and
> others you know are knowledgeable about old hardware, any information
> you
> could provide would be greatly appreciated.
>
> I hope to hear from you.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick Graves
> Personal Rick_Graves(a)CompuServe.com
>
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