17 Oct
2000
17 Oct
'00
11:57 p.m.
Aaron Nabil <nabil(a)SpiritOne.com>
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Sellam Ismail wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Aaron Nabil wrote:
> > On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Mike Ford wrote:
> > > >Vendors dumping Schtuff after VCF.
> > > >Details still have to be developed.
> > > Just don't make it so vendors dumpster stuff anyway, only some other
> > > dumpster than a nice convient one.
> > I wasn't there, but I take it that some vendors dumped stuff they
couldn't
> > sell? What is the problem with that?
Unapropriate Dumpster ?
Also, things got damaged, so dumpster diving wasn't a solution.
And in at least one case the Vendor didn't realized that people
might take his 'junk' after all. He was basicly willing to let
it go, just tried to clean his place.
> Well, personally, I think it demonstrates poor
character (the mentality is
> "if no one will give me money for this then I'm not going to give it away
> either"...basically like the type of people who would rather scrap
> something than sell it for less than they think it's worth) but that's
> just my opinion.
I scrap (well, actually throw away) a HUGE amount of
stuff rather than
"sell it for less than I think it's worth". No, I'm not in the
business, I'm just a hobbiest, but if I can have valid reasons for
throwing things away instead of selling them at a lower price (or giving
them away), I can certainly imagine that they do too. It's uncalled for
ascribing "poor character" to people unless you also happen to be a mind
reader, they might have perfectly valid reasons for doing what they do.
A perfectly healthy state of mind of one person may be total
insanity to another, and your expression may need some additional
backup to be considered by most people. Throwing away goods
istead of selling is more damaging to the vendor than selling
at a lower price (even when lower than the cost to produce) .
This is valid for most economic situations, eventualy except
communist systems and EU buerocracy.
> . . .
> From now on, I'd like the vendors to leave with what they bring, or if
> they choose to leave it behind, it will have to be made free, first-come,
> first-served. However, finding a way to enforce this that won't tick off
> a vendor will require some thought.
And that would be one of the reasons I throw things
away, people who try
impose their rules onto "free" things. It's really a huge hassle,
I've
endured a hundred times more grief from "free" things then all of the
stuff I've ever sold put together. I'd drop the "first come, first
served" thing and offer a "free disposal" service to the vendors. On the
last day, you'll haul away ALL of their crap if they would be willing to
set the stuff they don't want carefully in some designated area. From
that point either people will take it or you will dumpster it, but it
won't be the vendor's problem anymore.
Take Sallams B&W view with a grain of salt - He's american, he's in favour
of a simple solutions ;) The policy can only offer a possible way to handle
the problem rather than imposing strict rules (Just think, if we offer free
disposal, some vendor may just leave after VCF and we have to clean their
junk). It'S the marketing kind of name game :) Rather than forcing some
not managable rule a convinient service is offered.
Gruss
H.
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