29 Oct
2018
29 Oct
'18
3:35 a.m.
On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 at 05:33, Tomasz Rola <rtomek at ceti.pl> wrote:
I found this post incoherent and very hard to follow. I will therefore
limit myself to commenting to the responses direct to me.
OK, apart from:
Ok guys, just to make things clearer, here are two
pages from wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_operating_system
This is perhaps the single worst article I've seen on Wikipedia.
Poorly written, technically ignorant, mostly nonsense.
Plus, some kind of system programming language - I had
no idea what
Smalltalk was and I still have no idea but I might have swallowed
that.
Right, then go learn a bit about it. You need that to understand this
subject properly, I submit.
On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 04:14:34PM +0200, Liam Proven
wrote:
Very true, but if someone promises and does not
deliver, who is he?
[1] A marketing person?
[2] Behaving in a 100% normal way for the IT industry?
And nobody makes a small print saying "this is
just marketing
material, so do not count on it". If I cannot count on it, why waste
my time?
You need to develop much stronger bullsh1t filters.
No objection, except "everybody copied". I
have seen those copies,
including Gnomes and KDEs (up to about 2014, when I gave up trying)
and considered them increasingly dysfunctional.
So? I didn't say they were _good_ copies. I made no judgement of quality at all.
The only thing that
was better than original Windows GUI was stability (but after
Windows2000 this one improved a lot, IMHO).
The NT family was always far more stable, not starting with W2K.
And I was able to use
virtual desktops and they did not suck (while I tried few virtual
desktops on Win95 and they sucked like black hole and then some).
Win10 finally has working ones.
What do I care if other people voluntarily push
screwdrivers
through the random body cavities of their own? Hey, sounds like golden
opportunity for sharp hardware shop.
I do not see the relevance of this unpleasant image.
This should be a responce to your message in this
other thread, but I
am not sure if I have this many time, so, as you claimed that Windows
wrote a new book of UI or something:
:: Interface Hall of Shame / - Windows95 -
http://hallofshame.gp.co.at/msoft.htm
Some of these are valid points. Some are quibbling about details. Some
display a serious lack of understanding of real ordinary people and
how they interact with computers. Some show a deep lack of
understanding of history -- bear in mind this was a v4 product, after
many point-releases too.
So, to pick an important example, for instance, it displays
apparently-complete ignorance of the Win3 model of "MDI" -- multiple
document inheritance -- which was an important design principle of
Windows 3.x and OS/2 1.x and which MS started to systematically
eliminate in Win9x and IBM started to eliminate in OS/2 2.x.
This is a big, important concept and I don't even see it _mentioned_.
Some are just cheap shots.
I don't consider it overall to be particularly interesting or incisive.
You are free to if you wish, of course.
And yet I choose to use Linux harder, just because it
did job, whereas
Windows could not (unless I wanted unreliable computer, and I cannot
use unreliable when reliable is available or I get flaming mad).
Fine. Good for you. So? What does this say about the UIs of the OSes?
As a side note, I do not claim Linux is oh so the
bestest of them
all. It just can do things I consider important while Windows could
not (every time I try using it in serious manner, after about hour my
index finger wants to fall off from constant mouse stimulation). And
some time ago Linux started accumulating certain fringe elements, so a
jump to another platform is necessary.
All OSes suck. Some suck slightly more than others. Some, e.g. BeOS or
EPOC, slightly less.
I am amazed too. Apparently you do with Windows
something else than I
would, and if it works for you, I am cool.
I don't use it at all if I can avoid it.
However, I did spend about 25y supporting it.
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