Eric Smith wrote:
  Chuck Guzis wrote:
  You've obviously not run into these, you
lucky fellow: 
 You and Gordon are right, I hadn't heard of Torx Plus or had the
 misfortune to encounter any.
  
Sorry Jay for the OT car stuff, but it may be worth pointing out that VW
was also where I first saw those 12-lobe spline heads, where the bolt
head looks like the inside of a socket - that was on an '84 Passat.
They really don't want non-VW people opening things up.
Gordon